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New testament isn't as important as the old testament.

God decides what sin is and is therefore a corrupt judge.

No, being the One who decides does not make Him corrupt. Rather, He is "infinitely just", as someone has said, and He is unchanging. His law is the same now as it has ever been and will ever be, and His administration of it is just as permanent.

We humans might not understand or like His law and how it is administered, but that does not prove anything wrong about it or Him.

Now yes, there are corrupt judges here on earth, and some of that corruption stems from judges presuming to "decide what is sin" rather than simply doing their jobs as judges:



Again, we might not like or understand the law of the Creator of all, but without both it and Him, there would be no law at all.

"I have not come to abolish the law and the prophets, but to fulfill them."


Does it?


I respond by telling you to pick up a print Bible (any translation will do) and check that verse. That is simply not what the Bible says at all. You are not reading John, you are reading someone else's rather uninformed commentary on John. Only three words from that whole passage you quoted are actually found in 1 John 4:8.

He is only just by his own standards....

Sounds pretty corrupt to me.

What about the passages in the Old Testament that condemn eating shellfish, making a cloth of two different fabrics, and touching a woman while she is on her period? I'm not looking to debate anyone, I've just been curius about that for a while.

As for religion itself, I do not particularly care for it. I feel they're all the same-"my god is the one true god and your god is false!". I also feel indignant over all the wars started on this mentality.

As for the Westboro Baptist Church, I don't really take them seriously. And I don't really think anyone else in the world takes them seriously either. I think they're all a bunch of attention whores-they do all these things for media attention and to shock people. They have a congregation of less than a hundred people, most of whom are related to each other.

While strongly defending your right to hold such an opinion, I rhetorically ask by whose standard(s) He should then be judged?

For the sake of discussion and while ignoring our inability (powerlessness) to ever actually make it effective, let us say He should be judged by some standard or set of standards we might assemble ...

Where would we begin?

He has said He will punish those who harm us ... but would we then ask He not ever punish us for harming others?

He causes rain to fall on both the just and the unjust ... but might we be able to come up with a better distribution system?

He says we must work to eat, yet He tells us to care for the widow and orphan and to bear one another's burdens in life (so even we Aspies might not suffer needlessly, I suggest) ... but maybe we can show Him a better way to provide for His creatures? Maybe He should even stop feeding the animals that do *not* have to toil for their food?

Personally, and in spite of my own many questions and ponderings, I have never been angry with "God" ... and that simply means that while I actually do have empathy for people who are, I do not know how to actually sympathize with them. And thus ...

I submit that at least many people who seem to have issues with "God" are actually at odds with other people's misrepresentations or their own misunderstandings of Him ... and that some people then even go so far as to try to trash Him enough to get others to join in while hoping He might then in some way eventually give up or give in or at least relent a little ...

He made a broken world if he exists, he should be man enough to apologise.

No, He made a world that became broken as a manifestation of the free will He gave us, and He was at least once grieved (for Himself or for us and/or maybe even for both?) that He had done so. Nevertheless, He still keeps the sun hot and the earth watered and He has not taken away our "right of decision", so to speak, in relation to Him.

Maybe we should ask Him to simply make everything perfect once again and remove our ability to think and decide for ourselves? But personally, I would consider that imperfect.

Last part first because that one's important: I made a big mistake here - I included a part that was actually meant to be an interpretation from the website that featured it, not a part of the verse itself, so on 1 John 4:8, I am completely wrong.

About hell, that is a fundamental axiom of Christianity - If the sinners and non-believers do not repent and accept Jesus Christ in their hearts, their souls will go to hell. So, 66.68% of the world will go to hell. Problem is, 16.99% of those Christians are Catholics, so that means we have to subtract them because of idolatry, mariolotry, etc, so that leaves us with 83.67% of the world going to hell, that number will be cut further down by adultery(divorce), and other unforgivable sins like blaspheming the holy spirit, etc.

On the subject of God loving everyone, that's clearly not true. Homosexuality is a sin, and God hates sinners("Workers of iniquity" Psalm 5:5), so God hates homosexuals. That's an easy one to derive. I'm wondering how anyone who accepts the bible can argue against this. The bible will contradict itself on many of these points, so which one is true? Like, should rejoice when your enemies suffer(Psalm 58:10), or should you not?(Proverbs 24:17)

We don't have free will if god is omniscient and omnipotent.

And the world is broken because it is not as efficient as it could be.

Everything is stupidly made if it is a creation, terribly poorly conceived and of little use compared to what it could be.

Eyes, for example, are very crude and susceptible to a myriad of illusions. They are also incredibly easy to break. Additionally, if we are the favoured species, why do cephalopods of all sorts have better eyes than us?

We live in a universe that is perfectly arranged for the creation of black holes, and the star at the centre of our particular solar system is going to run out of energy and so too will the Earth, resulting in absolut destruction of life through either running out of energy or crushed by the black hole left by the collapse of the sun. We will likely be past the event horizon of it to begin with :-/.

We have to sleep, a pretty random and ridiculous design flaw for an omnipotent creator - an omnipotent creator could make creatures that do not need sleep or even energy. Proof that even I'm a better designer than god. Complexity in design is really a euphemism for inefficience so the more complex existence, the less impressive it is as an act of creation....

There are a number of Christians who do not believe in Hell, or at least not in eternal punishment.


Even among Christians who take Hell as a given, these claims are not true. It is commonly believed that God is merciful and forgiving, so the assumption that all Catholics, Muslims, Hindus, etc are automatically going to Hell just falls flat on its face.

I'm pretty sure if you are looking at the catholic sect only you can say they believe all non-catholics are going to hell though....

While you have an interesting debate here, I try to never get involved in religious debates unless someone can prove that their "Holy Book" of choice the correct one. Which of course, they can never do.

In my opinion most people are religious simply because their parents were, or because they needed something to comfort them in everyday life and so they adopted "god" to talk to.

And probably a lot of incest going on as well.

So then, you believe it is by those kinds of "standards" He should be judged? And then, who or what will take over if/after He has been condemned and eliminated?