Workers' Revolt in Wisconsin

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On the budget crisis in Wisconsin, I say...
Poll ended at 27 May 2011, 1:13 pm

Where? What? runs to google	3%	[ 1 ]
Lynch the Governor for union busting. Workers' Revolt!	61%	[ 20 ]
Fire the union workers! They get paid too much anyway!	18%	[ 6 ]
Protests scare me...just...make them stop.	0%	[ 0 ]
They're protesting somewhere? Let me get my sign...and my molotov cocktails.	3%	[ 1 ]
Doesn't effect me, so I don't care.	12%	[ 4 ]
Your polls are stupid, your topic is stupid, and I'm going to tell you why...	3%	[ 1 ]

Total votes : 33

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26 Feb 2011, 5:09 pm

A steady stream of right-wing propaganda in our culture and media has taught me one thing: Unions are bad. Actually labor unions seem to be less and less relevant; I've never been in one, and they're nearly nonexistent in my industry: computer programming. They seem to remain mostly only in manufacturing jobs that are becoming increasingly outsourced and in the public sector.

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26 Feb 2011, 5:13 pm

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... our-moment

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26 Feb 2011, 5:22 pm

Well one, those tax cuts which were aimed at attracting businesses and jobs don't take effect until the next budget, it's completely and utterly false to say Walker created this problem. Our supposed "surplus" was just budget gimmickry + a billion dollar one time gift from Obama's stimulus. Before that, there was a huge be a huge shortfall just as there will be for the next budget which will be to the tune of 3.6 billion dollars over the next 2 years. What Walker is trying to do is solve the problem long term instead of kicking the can down the road like our last governor did.

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26 Feb 2011, 5:28 pm

ikorack wrote:

The only use of better I can see your use meaning is the better which results from appraising sources by what fits your world-view. Essentially a useless standard. What makes their report better?

Actually it was more of I heard about a certain picture that kinda explains the issue.

http://www.wlsam.com/article.asp?id=2119601&SPID=37725

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26 Feb 2011, 5:30 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

ikorack wrote:

The only use of better I can see your use meaning is the better which results from appraising sources by what fits your world-view. Essentially a useless standard. What makes their report better?

Actually it was more of I heard about a certain picture that kinda explains the issue.

*snip*
http://www.wlsam.com/article.asp?id=2119601&SPID=37725

This is not an answer.

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26 Feb 2011, 5:34 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

ikorack wrote:

The only use of better I can see your use meaning is the better which results from appraising sources by what fits your world-view. Essentially a useless standard. What makes their report better?

Actually it was more of I heard about a certain picture that kinda explains the issue.

http://www.wlsam.com/article.asp?id=2119601&SPID=37725

So you are supporting class-warfare against public employees? Right-wingers gotta have someone to kick around.

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26 Feb 2011, 5:35 pm

ikorack wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

ikorack wrote:

The only use of better I can see your use meaning is the better which results from appraising sources by what fits your world-view. Essentially a useless standard. What makes their report better?

Actually it was more of I heard about a certain picture that kinda explains the issue.

*snip*
http://www.wlsam.com/article.asp?id=2119601&SPID=37725

This is not an answer.

Because and I hate to really say this about the only people reporting news anymore are individuals on the right. I have lost trust in the mainstream media, especially when you have people in the mainstream media getting shivers up their leg every time they hear Obama speak.

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26 Feb 2011, 5:40 pm

What makes this a "Worker's Revolt" anyway?

Nothing I have seen or heard says anything but they got teachers partying in the capitol.

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26 Feb 2011, 5:46 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

ikorack wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

ikorack wrote:

The only use of better I can see your use meaning is the better which results from appraising sources by what fits your world-view. Essentially a useless standard. What makes their report better?

Actually it was more of I heard about a certain picture that kinda explains the issue.

*snip*
http://www.wlsam.com/article.asp?id=2119601&SPID=37725

This is not an answer.

That still isn't an answer.

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26 Feb 2011, 5:58 pm

ikorack wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

ikorack wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

ikorack wrote:

The only use of better I can see your use meaning is the better which results from appraising sources by what fits your world-view. Essentially a useless standard. What makes their report better?

Actually it was more of I heard about a certain picture that kinda explains the issue.

*snip*
http://www.wlsam.com/article.asp?id=2119601&SPID=37725

This is not an answer.

That still isn't an answer.

Actually it is, the other media outlets have lost my trust.

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26 Feb 2011, 6:27 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

ikorack wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

ikorack wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

ikorack wrote:

The only use of better I can see your use meaning is the better which results from appraising sources by what fits your world-view. Essentially a useless standard. What makes their report better?

Actually it was more of I heard about a certain picture that kinda explains the issue.

*snip*
http://www.wlsam.com/article.asp?id=2119601&SPID=37725

This is not an answer.

That still isn't an answer.

Actually it is, the other media outlets have lost my trust.

That doesn't answer what standard you hold them to, which is what I asked. What determines whether or not you trust a source. Why would you even trust a source in the first place?

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26 Feb 2011, 6:48 pm

The police should be concerned. The police union is against it as well.

What the governor has done is attack unions that lean Democratic. The police and firefighter unions are exempt. But they realize that after collective bargaining is gone for the others, they are next.

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26 Feb 2011, 6:53 pm

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Except this isn't all the bargaining rights as the Union claims. Primarily the Unions are going bananas because people can choose to opt out of being in a union.

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26 Feb 2011, 7:28 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

simon_says wrote:

Except this isn't all the bargaining rights as the Union claims. Primarily the Unions are going bananas because people can choose to opt out of being in a union.

It limits negotiations to basic wages. They can't discuss their health care or pension details. And that's in addition to immediatly reducing their pay by increasing contributions to the various programs. Obviously they don't like that and neither do the unions.

I assume what they'll do if it passes is wait for their moment and strike for higher base wages.

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26 Feb 2011, 7:30 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

simon_says wrote:

Except this isn't all the bargaining rights as the Union claims. Primarily the Unions are going bananas because people can choose to opt out of being in a union.

For the record I think public sector unions should always be optional. The Governor of WI is going further than that though. He's basically telling the unions he refuses to even listen to them regarding any future funding cuts. He wants to run the state like a tyrant who refuses to even listen to the people the state employs.

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26 Feb 2011, 7:32 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

pandorazmtbox wrote:

There was a budget surplus in Wisconsin, prior to the governor instituting some corporate tax cuts (to the tune of 140 million dollars). Walker (the governor) then announced a budget crisis, and submitted a proposal that would have the public employees' benefits cut (to the tune of $137 million)--especially those of the unionized employees, some of whom would suffer a 12% decrease in benefits. Just to be clear, these are the teachers who have helped Wisconsin education to be ranked 2nd among the 50 states. Salon.com article

The confusion, it appears, stems from a section in Lang’s memo that -- read on its own -- does project a $121 million surplus in the state’s general fund as of June 30, 2011.

But the remainder of the routine memo -- consider it the fine print -- outlines $258 million in unpaid bills or expected shortfalls in programs such as Medicaid services for the needy ($174 million alone), the public defender’s office and corrections. Additionally, the state owes Minnesota $58.7 million under a discontinued tax reciprocity deal.

The result, by our math and Lang’s, is the $137 million shortfall.

See here's the problem: This guy gave corporation tax CUTS at a time that their budget was dangerously stretched (and if he was really on top of his job he'd know how much money was owed in total).

This only shows how much gov. officials have become sock puppets for anyone that can shove enough money or political favor up their sphincters .

Personally, i'm all for Wisconsin people to revolt and run that governor out of the state. It'd start our own revolution against the Plutarchy.

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