Should there be room for controversial views on PPR

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07 May 2011, 5:36 pm

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Or not? I just received an unpleasant reply from a veteran member here concerning my 'nazi usa' topic.

Room or not?


What do you expect though? If you start threads just to throw insults?

Most of the opinions on PPR would be controversial to the 'average man in the street'.

But you don't need to start a thread with an insult. Unless you enjoy exchanging them?

And then start (yet another) thread complaining about attitudes on WP?

If you play that way then you will get some sharp replies. Just the way it is. If you don't want to get unpleasant replies, then don't make unpleasant posts.


What he said.


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08 May 2011, 2:31 am

The difference between "controversial view" and "insulting thread with insulting title about a political subject" seems to be too subtle for the OP.


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08 May 2011, 8:04 am

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The difference between "controversial view" and "insulting thread with insulting title about a political subject" seems to be too subtle for the OP.


Got it in one. But not only political.



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08 May 2011, 9:58 am

Haven't read the thread, but the title "Nazi USA" doesn't offend me.

I don't usually regard something as an "insult" unless it's directed at me personally.
Even then, it depends how it's said.
For example
"That's an idiotic argument". - Not insulting, though I would hope this view would be backed up with evidence.
"You're an idiot." - Now I'm insulted.



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08 May 2011, 10:02 am

I am insulted if an idiot compliments me [it has happened].



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08 May 2011, 7:32 pm

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I am insulted if an idiot compliments me [it has happened].

Uh, now that would be a matter of human pride, would it not?!


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08 May 2011, 7:38 pm

I am just laughing because he apparently did not see my sig or make anything out of it :wink:


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08 May 2011, 7:45 pm

leejosepho wrote:
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I am insulted if an idiot compliments me [it has happened].

Uh, now that would be a matter of human pride, would it not?!


I am not yet ready to cast the first stone. You are quite right.



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08 May 2011, 8:36 pm

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Godwin's law is pretty well heard of.


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09 May 2011, 4:49 pm

I'm not insulted if an idiot compliments me. I'll take any compliment I can get.



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10 May 2011, 8:46 am

Lefebvre wrote:
Or not? I just received an unpleasant reply from a veteran member here concerning my 'nazi usa' topic.

Room or not?


What does that fact have to do with the question your asking?
Everyone get sharp responses on the PPR.

Second: when did you express a "contraversial opinion"?

In the "nazi usa' thread you stated opinions that about half the regulars on PPR agree with, and about half dont agree with. No more 'contraversial" than most views.
What happened was that you stated the opinions in juvenile ways that alienated even the half that agree with you.

Its not what you said- its the juvenile way you say it that is the issue.

And where did you get a 'sharp response" anyway? I thought everyone responded to you rather reasonably.



You said reasonable things (albiet in unreasonable ways) and got reasonable responses ( despite your conduct). You said nothing truly unothodox And got no persecution. So why are you complaining about nonexistant persecution of nonexistant contraversy?



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10 May 2011, 1:33 pm

The question in the thread title seems to me to be fatuous. Not only should there be such room, but clearly such room exists.

What the OP seems really to be complaining about is not whether or not there is room for his views (after all, he was able to post them, was he not?) but rather whether or not his views should be free from criticism.

In my experience, no one gets a free pass in here.

In my opinion, no one should get a free pass in here.


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10 May 2011, 10:28 pm

visagrunt wrote:
The question in the thread title seems to me to be fatuous. Not only should there be such room, but clearly such room exists.

What the OP seems really to be complaining about is not whether or not there is room for his views (after all, he was able to post them, was he not?) but rather whether or not his views should be free from criticism.

In my experience, no one gets a free pass in here.

In my opinion, no one should get a free pass in here.


I concur


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10 May 2011, 10:30 pm

Lefebvre wrote:
Or not? I just received an unpleasant reply from a veteran member here concerning my 'nazi usa' topic.

Room or not?


Controversial views should be permitted, as should my view that some controversial views are repulsive, intellectually lazy, and dangerous to society. People should be allowed to censure but not censor.


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10 May 2011, 10:33 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
People should be allowed to censure ...

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Censure (pronounced /ˈsɛnʃər/) is a process by which a formal reprimand is issued to an individual by an authoritative body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censure

Only moderators can do that here.


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10 May 2011, 10:38 pm

After reading through this entire thread (and several others), I've reached the conclusion that the most pertinent question related to this thread (and those others) is:

"Should there be room for people who post hate-filled topics on WP?"

My vote would be "No".