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20 May 2011, 4:15 pm

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Well, tell me how the 60s were such a powerful influence by comparison.


A lot of Catholics went off the deep end in the '60s, right along with the culture. Not surprising if we followed suit here too - and not to our credit.



So that explains pedophilia/pedastry cases in the 1950s or why Catholics who came of age before the 1960s or completely rejected the 1960s counterculture have been implicated in pedophilia/pedastry cases?


I think the Catholic church needs to work on their hiring standards, putting it mildly.


Obviously its super easy to find out who is a pedo and who isn't:
Just use this patented method


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20 May 2011, 4:17 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Natty_Boh wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
Well, tell me how the 60s were such a powerful influence by comparison.


A lot of Catholics went off the deep end in the '60s, right along with the culture. Not surprising if we followed suit here too - and not to our credit.



So that explains pedophilia/pedastry cases in the 1950s or why Catholics who came of age before the 1960s or completely rejected the 1960s counterculture have been implicated in pedophilia/pedastry cases?


I think the Catholic church needs to work on their hiring standards, putting it mildly.


Obviously its super easy to find out who is a pedo and who isn't:
Just use this patented method


How about when the Priests take their vows they are neutered...

They are supposed to be celibate anyways.



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20 May 2011, 4:20 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Natty_Boh wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
Well, tell me how the 60s were such a powerful influence by comparison.


A lot of Catholics went off the deep end in the '60s, right along with the culture. Not surprising if we followed suit here too - and not to our credit.



So that explains pedophilia/pedastry cases in the 1950s or why Catholics who came of age before the 1960s or completely rejected the 1960s counterculture have been implicated in pedophilia/pedastry cases?


I think the Catholic church needs to work on their hiring standards, putting it mildly.


Obviously its super easy to find out who is a pedo and who isn't:
Just use this patented method


How about when the Priests take their vows they are neutered...

They are supposed to be celibate anyways.


:lmao: I thought you were a good Christian? Are you sure you aren't Orwell? :lol:


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20 May 2011, 4:22 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Natty_Boh wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
Well, tell me how the 60s were such a powerful influence by comparison.


A lot of Catholics went off the deep end in the '60s, right along with the culture. Not surprising if we followed suit here too - and not to our credit.



So that explains pedophilia/pedastry cases in the 1950s or why Catholics who came of age before the 1960s or completely rejected the 1960s counterculture have been implicated in pedophilia/pedastry cases?


I think the Catholic church needs to work on their hiring standards, putting it mildly.


Obviously its super easy to find out who is a pedo and who isn't:
Just use this patented method


How about when the Priests take their vows they are neutered...

They are supposed to be celibate anyways.


:lmao: I thought you were a good Christian? Are you sure you aren't Orwell? :lol:


Remember I am a Methodist, and an offshoot of the Protestants that split away from the Catholic church centuries ago.



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20 May 2011, 4:23 pm

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How about when the Priests take their vows they are neutered...

They are supposed to be celibate anyways.


Since you can abuse with more than a penis... how bout we cut off hands and remove tongues as well....?



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20 May 2011, 4:25 pm

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How about when the Priests take their vows they are neutered...

They are supposed to be celibate anyways.


Since you can abuse with more than a penis... how bout we cut off hands and remove tongues as well....?


.....

Excuse me, but I for one am getting fed up with the Catholic Priesthood making Christians in general look bad.



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20 May 2011, 4:26 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Natty_Boh wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
Well, tell me how the 60s were such a powerful influence by comparison.


A lot of Catholics went off the deep end in the '60s, right along with the culture. Not surprising if we followed suit here too - and not to our credit.



So that explains pedophilia/pedastry cases in the 1950s or why Catholics who came of age before the 1960s or completely rejected the 1960s counterculture have been implicated in pedophilia/pedastry cases?


I think the Catholic church needs to work on their hiring standards, putting it mildly.


Obviously its super easy to find out who is a pedo and who isn't:
Just use this patented method


How about when the Priests take their vows they are neutered...

They are supposed to be celibate anyways.


:lmao: I thought you were a good Christian? Are you sure you aren't Orwell? :lol:


Remember I am a Methodist, and an offshoot of the Protestants that split away from the Catholic church centuries ago.


I wasn't aware of that actually (your denomination)
However there are Protestant priests also responsible for some of this funny business


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20 May 2011, 4:29 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Natty_Boh wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
Well, tell me how the 60s were such a powerful influence by comparison.


A lot of Catholics went off the deep end in the '60s, right along with the culture. Not surprising if we followed suit here too - and not to our credit.



So that explains pedophilia/pedastry cases in the 1950s or why Catholics who came of age before the 1960s or completely rejected the 1960s counterculture have been implicated in pedophilia/pedastry cases?


I think the Catholic church needs to work on their hiring standards, putting it mildly.


Obviously its super easy to find out who is a pedo and who isn't:
Just use this patented method


How about when the Priests take their vows they are neutered...

They are supposed to be celibate anyways.


:lmao: I thought you were a good Christian? Are you sure you aren't Orwell? :lol:


Remember I am a Methodist, and an offshoot of the Protestants that split away from the Catholic church centuries ago.


I wasn't aware of that actually (your denomination)
However there are Protestant priests also responsible for some of this funny business


And there are atheists that are pedophiles too.

As far as I know Protestant priests/pastors/etc. would be removed from their position and turned over to the authorities.



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20 May 2011, 4:31 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Natty_Boh wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
Well, tell me how the 60s were such a powerful influence by comparison.


A lot of Catholics went off the deep end in the '60s, right along with the culture. Not surprising if we followed suit here too - and not to our credit.



So that explains pedophilia/pedastry cases in the 1950s or why Catholics who came of age before the 1960s or completely rejected the 1960s counterculture have been implicated in pedophilia/pedastry cases?


I think the Catholic church needs to work on their hiring standards, putting it mildly.


Obviously its super easy to find out who is a pedo and who isn't:
Just use this patented method


How about when the Priests take their vows they are neutered...

They are supposed to be celibate anyways.


That's a pretty good idea.


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20 May 2011, 4:32 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Natty_Boh wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
Well, tell me how the 60s were such a powerful influence by comparison.


A lot of Catholics went off the deep end in the '60s, right along with the culture. Not surprising if we followed suit here too - and not to our credit.



So that explains pedophilia/pedastry cases in the 1950s or why Catholics who came of age before the 1960s or completely rejected the 1960s counterculture have been implicated in pedophilia/pedastry cases?


I think the Catholic church needs to work on their hiring standards, putting it mildly.


Obviously its super easy to find out who is a pedo and who isn't:
Just use this patented method


How about when the Priests take their vows they are neutered...

They are supposed to be celibate anyways.


:lmao: I thought you were a good Christian? Are you sure you aren't Orwell? :lol:


Remember I am a Methodist, and an offshoot of the Protestants that split away from the Catholic church centuries ago.


I wasn't aware of that actually (your denomination)
However there are Protestant priests also responsible for some of this funny business


And there are atheists that are pedophiles too.

As far as I know Protestant priests/pastors/etc. would be removed from their position and turned over to the authorities.


Of course. But there are no 'Atheist priests' or organizations of Atheists where children are put under the responsibility of a supposedly trustworthy spiritual figure
All I'm saying, is that blaming Catholicism exclusively is erroneous, it is a systemic problem with Christian clergy in general. The big difference is the Roman Catholics, naturally, have the Vatican to throw money at legal cases, thus either silencing them or making them really well known (unintentionally)


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20 May 2011, 4:32 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
BurntOutMom wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
How about when the Priests take their vows they are neutered...

They are supposed to be celibate anyways.


Since you can abuse with more than a penis... how bout we cut off hands and remove tongues as well....?


.....

Excuse me, but I for one am getting fed up with the Catholic Priesthood making Christians in general look bad.


Did you think I was mocking?? I was quite serious... (In a way)... I mean.. there are religious factions all over the world who take vows of silence...
But really, my point was simply if a person wants to abuse.. they'll find a way to do it.. Look at the impotent serial killers, they simply find an object suitable for their raping needs. Perhaps extensive psychological evaluation and chemical sterilization should be requirements of the clergy. Someone else pointed out on another thread a few weeks ago that people who want to dominate and abuse others, will find the positions in society that give them the best opportunity to satisfy their predatory needs.
That said, I don't think all people who seek out authoritative positions, in the church or elsewhere, are predators.



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20 May 2011, 4:39 pm

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All I'm saying, is that blaming Catholicism exclusively is erroneous, it is a systemic problem with Christian clergy in general. The big difference is the Roman Catholics, naturally, have the Vatican to throw money at legal cases, thus either silencing them or making them really well known (unintentionally)


Paul Tobin wrote:
Some apologists have tried to argue that Catholic priests are no more prone to child sexual abuse than those of other denominations or in secular caring professions. This defense is not convincing. The best estimates for abuse among Protestant clergy is 2 to 3 percent, which is only one third that of their Catholic counterparts. [c] [29] We will take a closer look at why the Catholic Church seems more susceptible to this culture of abuse in the section below.

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The Causes: The Church Implicated
Conservative Catholics have been quick to blame the prevalence of homosexuality in the priesthood for the current scandal.[57] Indeed recent estimates put the number of homosexual priests around 20%. [58] For the conservative, the solution is neat, for it suggests that somehow it is not the Church that is at fault but abberant priests who probably have no right to be in the priesthood anyway!
Inviting as the solution seems to be, it seems mistaken. There is no credible research that links the sexual abuse of children with homosexuality. As we can see from the examples above, girls and well as boys were molested. Indeed men who molest little boys are more likely to be heterosexual than homosexual in their adult involvements. Richard Sipe, a psychiatrist, summarized it succinctly, "Child sexual abuse has as much to do with homosexuality as rape has to do with heterosexuality." [59]

Two of the main causes of this widespread systemic problem of child sexual abuse are the Church culture of celibacy and the monolithic authoritarian structure of the church.

Celibacy was originally introduced in the Church during the end of the third century (or the beginning of the fourth). It did not become widely enforced until Pope Callistus II called the First Lateran Council in 1123 where he declared all clerical marriages invalid. However continued reiteration of this rule through later councils showed that the enforcements were by no means fully successful. It was only during the Council of Trent in 1563 that celibacy became an absolute rule. [60]

Note that is is not celibacy per se that causes the sexual abuse of children. It is the celibate culture, one in which sex is renounced, that forms an attraction to people already struggling with sexual issues. True pedophiles tend to develop their inclination early and contrary to what many may believe, many of them feel ashamed of such feelings and fight to contain and, in many cases, to repress it completely. If the person happens to be a Catholic male and religious, the celibacy of the priesthood with its promise of grace from God and the provision of the "gift" of celibacy seems just the antedote for his predeliction. Dr. John Morney, a reknowned authority on human sexuality wrote: "These future priests become seminarians partly in the belief that they will, through religion, gain control over the very sexual desire that they resist or fight against". [61]


http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/ ... #worldwide

http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/ ... tml#causes

It is a particularly Catholic problem.


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I'm not suggesting that other denominations are equal in abuse, but I think it is worthwhile to note that they are not innocent either


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20 May 2011, 4:44 pm

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I'm not suggesting that other denominations are equal in abuse, but I think it is worthwhile to note that they are not innocent either


Catholics handle it much worse than other denominations, where generally pedophile/pederast figures are forced to resign if found out by higher ups. The fact that the Catholic Church is such a centralized institution and has ordered fellow Church administrators to not report the abuse to authorities is just awful. Pederast/Pedophile Priests have found sanctuary in the Vatican State.


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20 May 2011, 4:47 pm

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I'm not suggesting that other denominations are equal in abuse, but I think it is worthwhile to note that they are not innocent either


Catholics handle it much worse than other denominations, where generally pedophile/pederast figures are forced to resign if found out by higher ups. The fact that the Catholic Church is such a centralized institution and has ordered fellow Church administrators to not report the abuse to authorities is just awful. Pederast/Pedophile Priests have found sanctuary in the Vatican State.


Its not all that surprising really if one considers the domineering nature of the Roman Catholic church's history


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20 May 2011, 4:48 pm

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It is a particularly Catholic problem.


How much of that is due to the fact that the Catholic church involves children more than any other faith I've ever experienced? Alter boys. Children's choirs. Perhaps they need to instigate some changes for their own preservation, like the Cub and Boy Scouts have done. Leaders are required to be "two deep". They have done their best to set up the scenario to make it difficult for pedophiles by requiring that there always be two adult and that a leader can only be alone with their own child. It wouldn't hurt the Catholic church to put some similar rules into play.