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02 Jun 2011, 12:30 am

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02 Jun 2011, 3:12 am

5- maybe it's my AS, but altruism doesn't come naturally

2- depends on whether the behavior affects someone else



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02 Jun 2011, 12:01 pm

for goodness of people: 6 if going by the definition given, 3 - 4 by actions
for means: 2 for the little, day-to-day things, 5 for the big issues

circumstance is key. The nazi's upstairs and stuck with a crying baby in a cellar with 20 other jews, do you sacrifice the child to keep alive the other 20 people in there with you or not. The (means)sacrificing of your child so that (ends)others may live, including yourself who can then go on to bring more lives into this world and do good in this lifetime can be justified, but again, context determines morality.

For the definition of goodness provided, 6, but goodness is pointless if its only felt. Do people behave good? I give that a 3 - 4. We're born innocent with more of a predisposition to evil then good. A 1 year old baby that keeps mommy and daddy sex-less for weeks may be innocent but what its doing isn't good either. Excusable... justifiable... understandable, sure. But not good.


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02 Jun 2011, 12:10 pm

Which is more evil - a month without sex or a week without cheese?



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02 Jun 2011, 2:27 pm

Philologos wrote:
Which is more evil - a month without sex or a week without cheese?


Clearly, a week without cheese.

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02 Jun 2011, 2:44 pm

Philologos wrote:
Which is more evil - a month without sex or a week without cheese?


don't know I have not done either in recent memory.


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02 Jun 2011, 2:55 pm

Neither has a moral value, so neither is more evil than the other.


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02 Jun 2011, 3:35 pm

1) 5
2) 2



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02 Jun 2011, 4:54 pm

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02 Jun 2011, 5:17 pm

2 and 2.



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03 Jun 2011, 7:17 am

for me
Image
for pychohist
Image
y=ends and means
x=the goodness of folks
apologies to M&C could not graph ranges.


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03 Jun 2011, 7:43 am

Not the world's most useful link.

Step 1. I extracted the usable portion

Step 2. went there, saw an image.

Step 3. the image being too small, I copied it and pasted it where I could enlarge it.

Step 4. I noted the neatly separated clusters, especially the tight cluster at the bottom

Resolution proved inadequate for reading which do ewas whose. Who is the isolate off in right field? Do we assume x = people +/- OK?



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03 Jun 2011, 8:06 am

fixed it


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03 Jun 2011, 8:11 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
fixed it


For which I thank you. I had deduced that dot had to be me, but it was not unambiguous.



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03 Jun 2011, 8:45 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
for me
Image
for pychohist
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y=ends and means
x=the goodness of folks
apologies to M&C could not graph ranges.
But what do the edges mean?


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03 Jun 2011, 9:37 am

@Vex
distance every thing above 2 is cut off
your closet neighbor is ruvyen


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