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16 Jun 2011, 1:42 pm

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I personally disagree with the 60-day limit for deploying troops overseas without congressional approval, I fully support the mission in Libya, and I oppose removing the troops from the region.

But, President Obama did violate the law. There is no question about that. And the law needs to be enforced.


Making war without congressional approval is an impeachable offense.

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what ever congress say is an impeachable offense is a impeachable offense.
I think that although the congressional republicans are being shifty on this issue
it is a step in the right direction to not just rubber stamp wars.
although the discussion should happen before the bombs drop.


For the record Bush got congressional approval for Iraq, which is something Obama did not bother to do for Libya, and it states in the Constitution that Congress is the one that declares war, not the President.

In point of fact, Bush did not get "congressional approval for Iraq" - Bush got an approval for the use of force against the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks, and used various, ah, interesting arguments to justify his attacks on Iraq, a nation which had nothing to do with said attacks. The conflict in Iraq is extralegal, and should have been regarded as an impeachable offense. Since that was let slide, I can't really see the use of a few missiles and bombers in Libya, occurring within the ninety-day window permitted by the War Powers Act, rising to the level of "high crimes and misdemeanors"...


False, I also posted a source which completely torpedoed what you just said.



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16 Jun 2011, 4:52 pm

Bush did not get congressional approval for Iraq.
The war is still Illegal


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16 Jun 2011, 4:53 pm

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Bush did not get congressional approval for Iraq.
The war is still Illegal


Congress funded it.

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16 Jun 2011, 4:56 pm

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Bush did not get congressional approval for Iraq.
The war is still Illegal


Congress funded it.

ruveyn


Bush also got Congressional Authorization before he invaded Iraq.



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16 Jun 2011, 4:57 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Bush did not get congressional approval for Iraq.
The war is still Illegal


Congress funded it.

ruveyn


Bush also got Congressional Authorization before he invaded Iraq.


Funding is done one year at a time by Congress. Congress kept on funding the war.

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16 Jun 2011, 5:06 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Bush did not get congressional approval for Iraq.
The war is still Illegal


Congress funded it.

ruveyn


Bush also got Congressional Authorization before he invaded Iraq.


he most certainly did not what were you five when it happened?
He was authorized to get the people behind 9/11 explain to me what Iraq had to do with that
I am bored I would like to hear some stupid.
Amuse me.


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16 Jun 2011, 5:19 pm

EDIT: DID NOT SEE DATE OF REPORT. DISREGARD.


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16 Jun 2011, 5:21 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Bush did not get congressional approval for Iraq.
The war is still Illegal


Congress funded it.

ruveyn


Bush also got Congressional Authorization before he invaded Iraq.


he most certainly did not what were you five when it happened?
He was authorized to get the people behind 9/11 explain to me what Iraq had to do with that
I am bored I would like to hear some stupid.
Amuse me.


Introduced in Congress on October 2, 2002, in conjunction with the Administration's proposals,[2][7] H.J.Res. 114 passed the House of Representatives on Thursday afternoon at 3:05 p.m. EDT on October 10, 2002, by a vote of 296-133,[8] and passed the Senate after midnight early Friday morning, at 12:50 a.m. EDT on October 11, 2002, by a vote of 77-23.[9] It was signed into law as Pub.L. 107-243 by President Bush on October 16, 2002.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

Passed the House October 10, 2002
Passed the Senate October 11, 2002
Signed by President October 16, 2002

We started Operation Iraqi Freedom on March 20, 2003, which is about 5 monthes after he got permission from Congress.



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16 Jun 2011, 7:29 pm

Read the whole article then get back to me. :lol:
Where are the links to terrorism required in the resolution?
Where are the WMD required by the resolution?
If we were enforcing UN mandates why did they not help us?
I why don't we enforce the ones against Israel or ourselves?
but please roll your eyes say I don't understand.
call me arrogant. but plain and simple the Iraq war was a swindle
and a clusterf**k.


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16 Jun 2011, 7:43 pm

Mr. Gaddafi did send a nice note to our Congress, to thank them for rebuking President Obama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/1 ... 75050.html

This must make Mr. Gaddafi a Conservative now, and about to be inducted into the Republican Party.



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16 Jun 2011, 8:49 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Read the whole article then get back to me. :lol:
Where are the links to terrorism required in the resolution?
Where are the WMD required by the resolution?
If we were enforcing UN mandates why did they not help us?
I why don't we enforce the ones against Israel or ourselves?
but please roll your eyes say I don't understand.
call me arrogant. but plain and simple the Iraq war was a swindle
and a f****.


Actually under US law, Congress is the decider on the US going to war, we don't need the UN's permission and in fact the UN was taking bribes from Saddam.

@ pandabear
Obama is quite frankly breaking the law, he is not a King.



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16 Jun 2011, 8:54 pm

Yes, but Mr. Gaddafi still qualifies to join the Republican Party.



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16 Jun 2011, 9:15 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Read the whole article then get back to me. :lol:
Where are the links to terrorism required in the resolution?
Where are the WMD required by the resolution?
If we were enforcing UN mandates why did they not help us?
I why don't we enforce the ones against Israel or ourselves?
but please roll your eyes say I don't understand.
call me arrogant. but plain and simple the Iraq war was a swindle
and a f****.


Actually under US law, Congress is the decider on the US going to war, we don't need the UN's permission and in fact the UN was taking bribes from Saddam.

@ pandabear
Obama is quite frankly breaking the law, he is not a King.


Nice dodge your honesty and integrity are outstanding.
using the word decider marks you as a gorilla specialist or a knave.
so was Saddam guilty of links to 9/11?
was there WMD's?
Was the whitehouse honest in its reasons for going to war?
I trust with your high values you will change the subject.
rather than answer those questions.


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16 Jun 2011, 9:55 pm

[quote="JakobVirgil"

Nice dodge your honesty and integrity are outstanding.
using the word decider marks you as a gorilla specialist or a knave.
so was Saddam guilty of links to 9/11?
was there WMD's?
Was the whitehouse honest in its reasons for going to war?
I trust with your high values you will change the subject.
rather than answer those questions.[/quote]

Noe of the above. It was the wrong war. Even so Saddam was an evil S.O.B. and he ended up the right way, his neck broken by a noose.

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16 Jun 2011, 10:00 pm

I do not mourn his loss but Iraq is not better for this war.


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16 Jun 2011, 11:13 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
I do not mourn his loss but Iraq is not better for this war.


What do you mean?

Before the war, freedom-loving iraqis knew that any night, they or their loved ones could be whisked away under cover of darkness to a dungeon somewhere to be tortured, interrogated, and ultimately killed without anyone knowing why or where they went and whether they live or die.

Now they are shot where they stand in broad daylight for no reason at all and left to die in the street for all to see.