Is abortion considered murder?

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08 Jan 2012, 7:31 pm

I think arguing this is a bit one-sided when Inuyasha isn't around. :roll:

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08 Jan 2012, 7:33 pm

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I think arguing this is a bit one-sided when Inuyasha isn't around. :roll:

Christ man, now you need to spin around seven times before breaking a mirror over a jade monkey statue while chanting his name to prevent his return. Good luck

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08 Jan 2012, 7:34 pm

You're basically asking me not to jinx it, amirite?

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08 Jan 2012, 7:34 pm

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well.. I think it is killing a human but depends on the situation if its murder or not.. Sometimes it is necessary if the child would have a V.poor quality of life.. like missing several organs I am not talking PDDs or if the child is causing the mother to die.. there is no point letting both of them die..

I can agree that if the mother would possibly die an abortion ould be necessary.

Maybe abortion is not exactly murder but it murders the chance to live life.

I don't think it should be illegal but should only be done when absolutely necessary.
It should only be done at the earliest possible time after fertilization.

My belief has a lot to do with how I was raised. My parents are catholic and I have some of their morals.
I am no longer catholic but feel that some morals are important.

That comment about all humans committing genocide is absolute crap. Genocide is intentional and humans killing cells is not unless they have an abortion.
I am in no way accusing people that have abortions of genocide. I can't even understand how the term was brought up.

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08 Jan 2012, 7:38 pm

opinions differ. Those who believe a fetus has a human soul will consider abortion murder.

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08 Jan 2012, 7:40 pm

Pooly phrased question. By whom? Some people obviously consider it murder, so 'yes,' but that's obvious so why ask?
Better formulations would by, "should abortion be considered murder?" or "Do you consider abortion murder?"

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08 Jan 2012, 7:43 pm

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So when did you become human? At what point would you're opinion have changed from, "it's Ok to abort me" to "it's not Ok for me to be aborted/life terminated"?

Personally, I gather it was about 4-5 years. I wouldn't mind to had been aborted up until that point.

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08 Jan 2012, 7:46 pm

A fetus has no independent life - i.e., if you take it out the womb, it cannot survive. Therefore, you're not murdering anything.

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08 Jan 2012, 7:50 pm

mar00 wrote:

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So when did you become human? At what point would you're opinion have changed from, "it's Ok to abort me" to "it's not Ok for me to be aborted/life terminated"?

Personally, I gather it was about 4-5 years. I wouldn't mind to had been aborted up until that point.

lol I bet you think people could be aborted at any age. Is there any age where you fall from being a human too? 80 maybe?

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08 Jan 2012, 7:59 pm

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Scientific facts on abortion

quote: James D. Agresti, the president and primary researcher, holds a Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering from Brown University and has worked as a designer of jet aircraft engines, a technical sales professional, and chief engineer of a firm that customizes helicopters. He is the author of Rational Conclusions, a highly researched book evidencing factual support for the Bible across a broad array of academic disciplines.

...In general parlance, we are conservative/libertarian in our viewpoints...
The zef photos in the 'science' section are described as 'intrauterine,' but several of them are clearly NOT. In addition, they appear to be somewhat more advanced in these photos than the age ascribed to them.
(for other examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_development or http://www.minti.com/members/ellamia/ph ... old-Fetus/)

The site compares and contrasts McCain's views with Obama's, and offers rebuttals to Obama's postitions but not to McCain's. It uses the term 'preborn human' instead of zef, or even 'unborn human;' the chosen term suggests a presumption of delivery (ie, bias).

The entie site is biased; even when the data is accurate, it only presents data that leads to a certain conclusion.

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08 Jan 2012, 8:24 pm

Wrong question.

It is considered murder by some people.

It is not, however, actually murder.

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08 Jan 2012, 8:25 pm

snapcap wrote:

mar00 wrote:

snapcap wrote:

So when did you become human? At what point would you're opinion have changed from, "it's Ok to abort me" to "it's not Ok for me to be aborted/life terminated"?

Personally, I gather it was about 4-5 years. I wouldn't mind to had been aborted up until that point.

lol I bet you think people could be aborted at any age. Is there any age where you fall from being a human too? 80 maybe?

No, no I don't. I respect old people tremendously. Though I do advocate for the right to die if one chooses so, but that's irrelevant. Also I see life as a right meaning that it comes with a certain quality - if it's not met fetus should(must) be aborted. And so especially a person is entitled to a safe, happy aging. It's fetuses I don't consider as people.

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08 Jan 2012, 8:26 pm

mar00 wrote:

snapcap wrote:

mar00 wrote:

snapcap wrote:

So when did you become human? At what point would you're opinion have changed from, "it's Ok to abort me" to "it's not Ok for me to be aborted/life terminated"?

Personally, I gather it was about 4-5 years. I wouldn't mind to had been aborted up until that point.

lol I bet you think people could be aborted at any age. Is there any age where you fall from being a human too? 80 maybe?

No, no I don't. I respect old people tremendously. Though I do advocate for the right to die if one chooses so, but that's irrelevant. It's fetuses I don't consider as people.

But you're a fetus up to the age 4 or 5?

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08 Jan 2012, 8:28 pm

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08 Jan 2012, 8:29 pm

snapcap wrote:

<...>But you're a fetus up to the age 4 or 5?

That was a personal response, obviously, which regards nothing.

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08 Jan 2012, 8:32 pm

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Scientific facts on abortion

I like how even that horrendously biased, stupid site that misrepresents itself as "scientific" can't come up with any trait, that looks remotely exclusively human and non-animal until the 34-th.

So, this ends all discussion. Let us make abortion legal until the 7-th month of pregnancy / 34-th week. Even that site agrees, no human would die.

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