9/11 did anyone knew why Taliban chose this date?

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26 Dec 2012, 3:01 pm

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However Bin Ladin did seem to have obsession with the FALL (not the earlier rise) of the Ottoman Empire. He did use the cryptic refrain "the outrages of 80 years ago" in his messages to the media after 9-11.
2001 minus 70 = 1931 - the year oil was discovered in Saudi Arabia, by an American mining expert brought in to look for water, and the discovery pricked the interest of an American oil company. That was a big turning point for that region of the world. (According to this pdf: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~twod/oil ... ollack.pdf )

I'm just guessing at the meaning of "the outrages of 80 years ago" but it could be that was what he meant. Or maybe British interests pulling out earlier, which would be closer to 80 years. (Sorry, I am having trouble editing this post.)

As for the 9/11 date I have no idea, but it seems at the time I heard something that it related to, that it was an anniversary of something. But I don't recall. ETA: Some have related it to 911 emergency, but the terrorists would have notated it as 11/9, and there was a message sent to them, apparently a secret code for the date to attack, "two sticks, a dash and a cake with a stick down" to indicate 11-9.

ETA: Oh, I see what you mean about the 80 years - 1921, The Cairo Conference: http://www.cliohistory.org/thomas-lawrence/cairo/


That was it!
The 80 years ago thing was a reference to the Cairo Conference of 1921- and the diving up of what had been the ottoman empire by the europeans-as spoils of the first world war. I knew that it was something along those lines.

Nothing to do with the battle of vienna.

Thank you.


The actual 9-11 date- probably picked because they watched Williard Scott and found out that that was the day that the visibility would be good enough to aim a plane at building.

I dont think that you can afford to get very symbolic with the specific day of a weather dependent operation like that.



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26 Dec 2012, 3:30 pm

It was to emulate the 911 emergency line. 9/11 at 9:11 AM was the time they tried for.

Also, "emergency" can translate into "disaster", like a 911 disaster line.

I was a commissioner in Pittsburg, CA then, I remember the day pretty clearly. It was thought San Francisco or Los Angeles would be attacked next.



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26 Dec 2012, 4:40 pm

I wasnt the Taliban it was Al Qaeda!


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26 Dec 2012, 5:44 pm

Several rumors abound about the reason for the date, ranging from when the Arab Empire collapsed to a specific Surah in the Qurʾan, which states:
"If they repent and observe Salat and give the Zakat, then they are your brethren in religion. We thus explain the revelations for people who know."



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26 Dec 2012, 6:30 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uK3jAzSv9c[/youtube] :lol:


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27 Dec 2012, 3:07 am

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The pilot episode of The Lone Gunman (the X-Files spinoff) (which aired in March 2001) involved a government plot to start a war by flying a plane into the world trade center.


Not that surprising, in my opinion.

An ambitious terrorist would want to attack a very well-known target, and the World Trade Center was one of the obvious choices. And if you want to destroy a building, a plane is a classic strategy. Easy to see how fiction writers and real-life terrorists could come up with the same plan.



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27 Dec 2012, 7:59 am

Not two days after the Outrage of 9/11 happened there were theories of how it was the government who destroyed the Twin Towers. It was the American version of the Reichstag Fire.

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27 Dec 2012, 6:45 pm

Nambo wrote:
And I thought it was because it was on the tenth anniversary of this:-



President Bush on 9/11/91

And is it purely a coincidence that 911 has been used as an excuse to invade and control one country after another of those Islamic countries that are yet to be enslaved to the international Jewish banking debt system.aka "New World Order" aka Babylon the Great.


Someone mostly knows the deal. Good job.

I can't believe people actually buy the "official" story. All one has to do is look at the progressive invasion of our rights following 9/11 to see the true motive. Do any of you really know how truly invasive the Patriot act and Homeland Security act were upon our rights? The fact is it was concocted by the powers to whom our own governments report to.

Points to consider (if you're not fully brainwashed and care to think for yourselves a little):

-C'mon, if it weren't controlled demo, how did World Trade 7 fall?
-How did BBC report the towers fell before they actually did?
-Why did the owner of the WTC take out a huge insurance policy very shortly before 9/11? Coinicednce I suppose.
-How is it two huge buildings (three if you count WTC7) just happened to neatly fall into their own footprint upon collapse?
-What about the reports of multiple explosions after the planes hit (as reported by several sources in the hours following the attack)
-Big coincidence I suppose to that no US fighter jets were deployed too huh?
-Where was the plane that was supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania? Never seen a plane disintegrate into dust and tin foil before. Plenty of planes have crashed, I challenge anyone to find me another photo of one that looks like (nothing at all) the "plane crash" in PA.
-Why was it that the only video from apparently the only camera on the Pentagon seemingly missing a few frames. We see nothing, nothing, explosion.
-Interesting how all media sources seemed to almost instantly know Bin Laden was to blame, within mere hours after the first plane hit. Great investigative reporting?
-Why was the term "false flag" removed from the dictionary after the attacks?
-Lets not mention all of the "telegraphed punches" (telling you what they are going to do) such as the Lone Gunmen episode, the Simpsons (depicting a plane crashing into what appears to be the twin towers), and the mid 90's card game Illuminati NWO (look up the card Terrorist Attack)?

You can explain away maybe two or three individual points. Maybe any one of them individually as some coincidence or with some weak science. But ALL of them? I think not.



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27 Dec 2012, 6:56 pm

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-C'mon, if it weren't controlled demo, how did World Trade 7 fall?
-How did BBC report the towers fell before they actually did?
-Why did the owner of the WTC take out a huge insurance policy very shortly before 9/11? Coinicednce I suppose.
-How is it two huge buildings (three if you count WTC7) just happened to neatly fall into their own footprint upon collapse?
-What about the reports of multiple explosions after the planes hit (as reported by several sources in the hours following the attack)
-Big coincidence I suppose to that no US fighter jets were deployed too huh?
-Where was the plane that was supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania? Never seen a plane disintegrate into dust and tin foil before. Plenty of planes have crashed, I challenge anyone to find me another photo of one that looks like (nothing at all) the "plane crash" in PA.
-Why was it that the only video from apparently the only camera on the Pentagon seemingly missing a few frames. We see nothing, nothing, explosion.
-Interesting how all media sources seemed to almost instantly know Bin Laden was to blame, within mere hours after the first plane hit. Great investigative reporting?
-Why was the term "false flag" removed from the dictionary after the attacks?
-Lets not mention all of the "telegraphed punches" (telling you what they are going to do) such as the Lone Gunmen episode, the Simpsons (depicting a plane crashing into what appears to be the twin towers), and the mid 90's card game Illuminati NWO (look up the card Terrorist Attack)?

You can explain away maybe two or three individual points. Maybe any one of them individually as some coincidence or with some weak science. But ALL of them? I think not.

Sources?



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27 Dec 2012, 7:07 pm

GGPViper wrote:
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-C'mon, if it weren't controlled demo, how did World Trade 7 fall?
-How did BBC report the towers fell before they actually did?
-Why did the owner of the WTC take out a huge insurance policy very shortly before 9/11? Coinicednce I suppose.
-How is it two huge buildings (three if you count WTC7) just happened to neatly fall into their own footprint upon collapse?
-What about the reports of multiple explosions after the planes hit (as reported by several sources in the hours following the attack)
-Big coincidence I suppose to that no US fighter jets were deployed too huh?
-Where was the plane that was supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania? Never seen a plane disintegrate into dust and tin foil before. Plenty of planes have crashed, I challenge anyone to find me another photo of one that looks like (nothing at all) the "plane crash" in PA.
-Why was it that the only video from apparently the only camera on the Pentagon seemingly missing a few frames. We see nothing, nothing, explosion.
-Interesting how all media sources seemed to almost instantly know Bin Laden was to blame, within mere hours after the first plane hit. Great investigative reporting?
-Why was the term "false flag" removed from the dictionary after the attacks?
-Lets not mention all of the "telegraphed punches" (telling you what they are going to do) such as the Lone Gunmen episode, the Simpsons (depicting a plane crashing into what appears to be the twin towers), and the mid 90's card game Illuminati NWO (look up the card Terrorist Attack)?

You can explain away maybe two or three individual points. Maybe any one of them individually as some coincidence or with some weak science. But ALL of them? I think not.

Sources?


Well, I can bring those up for you as soon as I get enough posts to post links.

Many of the points dont really require one as they are well known facts. We all seen the video a thousand times. We all know WTC7 collapsed despite not being hit by anything. We all seen the pics of the "plane" in PA and the Pentagon video. We all know Bin Laden was reported as the perpetrator very shortly after the attack. We all know fighter jets were not deployed.

As far as the last few points, as I said I'll try to remember to list them. There have also been a number of documentaries (some more well documented than others) that cover this subject better than I probably can.



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27 Dec 2012, 7:20 pm

beakybird wrote:
-Why was the term "false flag" removed from the dictionary after the attacks?
-Lets not mention all of the "telegraphed punches" (telling you what they are going to do) such as the Simpsons (depicting a plane crashing into what appears to be the twin towers),

Well you've convinced me there.

So this false flag, not only were all the workers in the three buildings in on it, the occupants of at least one plane (depending on how many you think don't exist), but also the BBC and the makers of the Simpsons, and people who make dictionaries? All so America can pursue a bloody war in Afghanistan that nearly bankrupts it, and impose some?

Why would they include a giveaway of their conspiracy in the Simpsons (or an interview with Liam Gallagher, or, if you believe in the Illuminati, every music video and film ever)? What good could it possibly do them?



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27 Dec 2012, 7:34 pm

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...Points to consider (if you're not fully brainwashed and care to think for yourselves a little):.


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-C'mon, if it weren't controlled demo, how did World Trade 7 fall?
Buildings aren't like they are depicted as an ideal place for the Hulk the jump and run across, some chunks from the initial impact probably fell on a critical point.

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-How did BBC report the towers fell before they actually did?
News media most always reports the worst possible scenario.

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-Why did the owner of the WTC take out a huge insurance policy very shortly before 9/11? Coinicednce I suppose.
I'd have the building insured too. The building was also attacked in 1993.

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-How is it two huge buildings (three if you count WTC7) just happened to neatly fall into their own footprint upon collapse?
That's how the physics work. The planes hit at a point where the insulation for the steel frame changed, below was the old wrap on insulation, above was spray-on insulation. The spray-on shredded, while the wrap on would have remained more or less intact. The metal was unprotected and melted from the very intense fire. The attack in 1993 indicates the bad guys had the blueprints for decades.

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-What about the reports of multiple explosions after the planes hit (as reported by several sources in the hours following the attack)
Lost of dangers stuff in high rises, look up the MSDS's (material safety data sheetS)

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-Big coincidence I suppose to that no US fighter jets were deployed too huh?
They were indeed deployed.

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-Where was the plane that was supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania? Never seen a plane disintegrate into dust and tin foil before. Plenty of planes have crashed, I challenge anyone to find me another photo of one that looks like (nothing at all) the "plane crash" in PA.
Most crashes happen at low speed, not full throttle. Yes, 400 mph augured into the ground leaves dust and foil, and some red mist if there's people inside...that quickly turns dark brown.

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-Why was it that the only video from apparently the only camera on the Pentagon seemingly missing a few frames. We see nothing, nothing, explosion.
And a missing plane, and missing people, and dust and foil at the 400mph Pentagon crash side.

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-Interesting how all media sources seemed to almost instantly know Bin Laden was to blame, within mere hours after the first plane hit. Great investigative reporting?
Good guess as any.

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-Why was the term "false flag" removed from the dictionary after the attacks?
A Google search shows "false flag definition" in has about 2,220,000 references.

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-Lets not mention all of the "telegraphed punches" (telling you what they are going to do) such as the Lone Gunmen episode, the Simpsons (depicting a plane crashing into what appears to be the twin towers), and the mid 90's card game Illuminati NWO (look up the card Terrorist Attack)?
The WTC had been attacked in 1993. It's an obvious target...

So, a little knowledge of physics explains away half your points...excellent.



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27 Dec 2012, 7:34 pm

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So this false flag, not only were all the workers in the three buildings in on it, (not even sure how that pertains to anything- they were victims) the occupants of at least one plane (depending on how many you think don't exist) (who the guy who called his mom stating his first and last name you mean? Yeha I call my mom like that all the time), but also the BBC (media-enuf said) and the makers of the Simpsons (creator high ranking Freemason), and people who make dictionaries (again- media control books are media too)? All so America can pursue a bloody war in Afghanistan that nearly bankrupts it (exactly- this is WAY bigger than any one nation), and impose some (what)?

Why would they include a giveaway of their conspiracy in the Simpsons (or an interview with Liam Gallagher, or, if you believe in the Illuminati, every music video and film ever)? What good could it possibly do them?
This creates controversy even amongst "conspiracy theorists". Some believe out of sheer arrogance. But I believe that since the Illuminati are Luciferians (real Satanists not the Anton LeVey Hollywood glamor Satainists) they do so to increase the power of their magic and to please their master the Devil. Furthermore I believe it to me God's requirement (He must allow anything that happens in His omnipotence) that these things be revealed to those who are willing to see the truth as a way to bring more to the truth.

I don't expect anyone to believe this as the TV says otherwise.



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27 Dec 2012, 7:39 pm

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beakybird wrote:


So this false flag, not only were all the workers in the three buildings in on it, (not even sure how that pertains to anything- they were victims) the occupants of at least one plane (depending on how many you think don't exist) (who the guy who called his mom stating his first and last name you mean? Yeha I call my mom like that all the time), but also the BBC (media-enuf said) and the makers of the Simpsons (creator high ranking Freemason), and people who make dictionaries (again- media control books are media too)? All so America can pursue a bloody war in Afghanistan that nearly bankrupts it (exactly- this is WAY bigger than any one nation), and impose some (what)?

Why would they include a giveaway of their conspiracy in the Simpsons (or an interview with Liam Gallagher, or, if you believe in the Illuminati, every music video and film ever)? What good could it possibly do them?
This creates controversy even amongst "conspiracy theorists". Some believe out of sheer arrogance. But I believe that since the Illuminati are Luciferians (real Satanists not the Anton LeVey Hollywood glamor Satainists) they do so to increase the power of their magic and to please their master the Devil. Furthermore I believe it to me God's requirement (He must allow anything that happens in His omnipotence) that these things be revealed to those who are willing to see the truth as a way to bring more to the truth.

I don't expect anyone to believe this as the TV says otherwise.


Just how did these writers know? And since Hollywood writers are mostly liberals, why wouldn't they be screaming about it?

The TV says one thing. Smart people say another...



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27 Dec 2012, 8:01 pm

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So this false flag, not only were all the workers in the three buildings in on it, (not even sure how that pertains to anything- they were victims) the occupants of at least one plane (depending on how many you think don't exist) (who the guy who called his mom stating his first and last name you mean? Yeha I call my mom like that all the time), but also the BBC (media-enuf said) and the makers of the Simpsons (creator high ranking Freemason), and people who make dictionaries (again- media control books are media too)? All so America can pursue a bloody war in Afghanistan that nearly bankrupts it (exactly- this is WAY bigger than any one nation), and impose some (what)?

Why would they include a giveaway of their conspiracy in the Simpsons (or an interview with Liam Gallagher, or, if you believe in the Illuminati, every music video and film ever)? What good could it possibly do them?
This creates controversy even amongst "conspiracy theorists". Some believe out of sheer arrogance. But I believe that since the Illuminati are Luciferians (real Satanists not the Anton LeVey Hollywood glamor Satainists) they do so to increase the power of their magic and to please their master the Devil. Furthermore I believe it to me God's requirement (He must allow anything that happens in His omnipotence) that these things be revealed to those who are willing to see the truth as a way to bring more to the truth.

I don't expect anyone to believe this as the TV says otherwise.

The workers in the buildings are relevant because someone must have planted the explosives. Why did nobody say to their family "hey, a funny thing happened at work today, some guys came in and planted explosives against the frame of the building! Hope they don't blow us up, ha ha!"

Loads of people went missing on those flights. Where did they go?

The BBC are liberal, British, public funded media. They are not immune to making mistakes, but they are a million miles away from the tabloid press or commercial radio or digital television stations. Thousands of ordinary people work for the BBC, are they all "in on it"?

What evidence do you have that Groening is a Freemason, or that the Freemasons even exist in the way you think they do?

Dozens of people (at the very least) work on dictionaries. Are they all "in on it"? What good would removing the phrase "false flag" from the dictionary do? Words don't disappear because they aren't in the dictionary.

As a great man once said, "you can prove anything with facts". You need no more than one degree of speculation, and your explanation needs to be the best fit to the facts.

Fact: the towers fell in this way.
1st degree: this happened because of a controlled demolition
2nd degree: the controlled demolition was done by the Illuminati
3rd degree: the Illuminati are Luciferians
4th degree: Satan exists
5th degree: The Illuminati leave signs that they exist in order to increase their magic

Fact: the towers fell in this way
Fact: hundreds if not thousands of people witnesses the planes hit the tower
Fact: witnesses testified there were terrorists on the planes
Fact: Al-Qaeda owned up to causing the attacks
1st degree: terrorists hijacked the planes and crashed them into the buildings



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27 Dec 2012, 8:25 pm

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Fact: the towers fell in this way
Fact: hundreds if not thousands of people witnesses the planes hit the tower
Fact: witnesses testified there were terrorists on the planes
Fact: Al-Qaeda owned up to causing the attacks
1st degree: terrorists hijacked the planes and crashed them into the buildings


That is exactly what They want you to think.

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