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Zimmerman should be found..
Guilty 48%  48%  [ 32 ]
Not Guilty 35%  35%  [ 23 ]
Undecided 17%  17%  [ 11 ]
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26 Jun 2013, 3:59 pm

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Also, while it is possible to die from being hit in a fist fight, it is relatively uncommon. Zimmerman had no justification for believing that he had to use lethal force to save his own life.


He did have justification if his account of events is true (which we will likely never know). If you were pinned down by someone, unable to get them off you, your head being bashed against a concrete sidewalk, would you be absolutely certain that you would come away from that encounter with no lasting damage? Concussion, unconsciousness, brain damage, hemorrhage, and yes, death, are all real possibilities in that situation.



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26 Jun 2013, 5:27 pm

Guilty. Enough said.


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26 Jun 2013, 5:40 pm

OddButWhy wrote:
eric76 wrote:
Also, while it is possible to die from being hit in a fist fight, it is relatively uncommon. Zimmerman had no justification for believing that he had to use lethal force to save his own life.


He did have justification if his account of events is true (which we will likely never know). If you were pinned down by someone, unable to get them off you, your head being bashed against a concrete sidewalk, would you be absolutely certain that you would come away from that encounter with no lasting damage? Concussion, unconsciousness, brain damage, hemorrhage, and yes, death, are all real possibilities in that situation.


As for bashing his head into the concrete, it would be interesting to know if that really happened. For that to have happened, Zimmerman would have had to have been lying on the grass with his head on the concrete. From the reported positions of Martin's body, that does not seem likely.

And Zimmerman's injuries were rather mild to have been caused by having his head bashed into the concrete.



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26 Jun 2013, 7:12 pm

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Guilty. Enough said.


No room for reasonable doubt in your mind. Right?



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26 Jun 2013, 7:30 pm

There was some concern last year that there could be riots if Zimmerman is found not guilty.


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26 Jun 2013, 8:05 pm

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There was some concern last year that there could be riots if Zimmerman is found not guilty.


I think the prosecution is making its case so poorly that we may very well find out if those concerns were justified.



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26 Jun 2013, 8:17 pm

eric76 wrote:
OddButWhy wrote:
eric76 wrote:
Also, while it is possible to die from being hit in a fist fight, it is relatively uncommon. Zimmerman had no justification for believing that he had to use lethal force to save his own life.


He did have justification if his account of events is true (which we will likely never know). If you were pinned down by someone, unable to get them off you, your head being bashed against a concrete sidewalk, would you be absolutely certain that you would come away from that encounter with no lasting damage? Concussion, unconsciousness, brain damage, hemorrhage, and yes, death, are all real possibilities in that situation.


As for bashing his head into the concrete, it would be interesting to know if that really happened. For that to have happened, Zimmerman would have had to have been lying on the grass with his head on the concrete. From the reported positions of Martin's body, that does not seem likely.

And Zimmerman's injuries were rather mild to have been caused by having his head bashed into the concrete.


The question remains, where did those cuts and abrasions come from? Not from the grass, surely. It seems most likely that the back of his head did come in contact with the concrete at some point during the struggle.



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27 Jun 2013, 12:26 am

While I suspect it was Trayvon martin who was on top of Zimmerman, whaling away on him, the fact remains, it was Zimmerman who was chasing the kid after the police told him not to. From what Martin's female friend, who he was having a cell phone conversation had said, he thought some creepy guy, perhaps motivated by racism, was following him, and was genuinely alarmed. If anyone was legitimately standing his ground, it may very well have been Trayvon Martin.

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27 Jun 2013, 2:30 am

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It doesn't matter if Martin was being followed, if he was the one that initiated physical contact, he's responsible happened; attacking someone is not an acceptable response to being followed.


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27 Jun 2013, 2:42 am

As someone who was once attacked by an idiot vigilante type I say burn Zimmerman in the electric chair already! Show that such stalking vigilante behaviour is unacceptable!



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27 Jun 2013, 2:54 am

He's probably guilty of manslaughter but the prosecution decided to try and charge him with murder that he'll be found not guilty of.



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27 Jun 2013, 10:39 am

I watched some of it last night on the news. The star witness for the prosecution doesn't seem to be very convincing.


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27 Jun 2013, 11:27 am

Most of the prosecution's witnesses have been little help: one admitted she couldn't really tell whether it was Martin or Zimmerman on top during the struggle; another recalled 3 gunshots when there was only 1; and a third has admitted to multiple lies. If this is the best the prosecution's got, this trial is headed for a fast acquittal for Zimmerman.



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27 Jun 2013, 12:54 pm

This is all so ridiculous. The facts are that this person stalked Martin and then gunned him down... These things are beyond any doubt. Then again in the US South it was considered 20 years ago OK to gun down a Japanese exchange student who was looking for a Halloween party and got the address wrong and the yahoos of Baton Rouge showed their support for that! My guess is that this has not changed. Oooh, Japanese people are scary, they might use their super martial arts on me! Mercy! Oooh, that black man is scary, he has super strength... I must gun him down. Do these white people have any pride at all, they are portraying themselves as a bunch of victims and whiners who claim to be physically inferior and need to hide behind guns and the law that they own completely.



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27 Jun 2013, 1:22 pm

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This is all so ridiculous.

What, trial by jury?
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The facts are that this person stalked Martin and then gunned him down...

Were you a witness?
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These things are beyond any doubt. Then again in the US South it was considered 20 years ago OK to gun down a Japanese exchange student who was looking for a Halloween party and got the address wrong and the yahoos of Baton Rouge showed their support for that! My guess is that this has not changed. Oooh, Japanese people are scary, they might use their super martial arts on me! Mercy! Oooh, that black man is scary, he has super strength... I must gun him down.

No one's been shot up north in the past 20 years?

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Do these white people have any pride at all, they are portraying themselves as a bunch of victims and whiners who claim to be physically inferior and need to hide behind guns and the law that they own completely.

Typical gun hater canned rhetoric.
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27 Jun 2013, 1:35 pm

I recall that Halloween shooting quite vividly. What made this so egregious was that the victim was gunned down on Halloween, when it's common for people to go door to door in costume. As I find it impossible to believe that the shooter never got trick-or-treaters before, it's pretty obvious that he was motivated by the exchange student's race and color.
And of course there are shootings in the north. I think the point here is, the shooter was motivated by racism. This is not meant to be an indictment of the whole south.

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