Another School Shooting

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I think you know as well as I do that these people can't rationally make their case, so they rely on emotional shock value and misinformation instead.

I am unfamiliar with companies having to pay someone for life, when you are sacked you will receive a compensation but there it ends, unless special conditions apply. Which I'd say is fair.

I am not sure what you're on to with the Muslim influx but this has been going on for many decades. I don't oppose it. Most of them are well integrated but the media pays little attention to that. The minority causing problems is more newsworthy or sells more copies of the newspapers, they assume. But most Muslims are integrated well, and I don't see the issue here. We live in countries with freedom of religion, the same goes for the USA by the way where Muslims are expanding in numbers due to conversions and immigrations. In Europe, the same has been going on for several decades already, but I don't see any issue here. Freedom of religion means you can worship as you prefer, and it means nobody should be discriminated against based on their faith. Emigrations have existed throughout history so in a way this isn't but a natural process, and Islam will be the biggest religion globally in the near future if statistics continue the way they are now (birth rates, conversions, etc) ... but again, in a lay country where religion and law are separated, there is no reason to interfere with this.



As I said, it is easy to mourn and condemn the violence, but as long as you allow arms this is going to repeat itself over and over again and many more innocent victims will die. So maybe someone should poke the finger in the eyes of politicians and tell them to actually do the logical : disallowing gun posession. As long as they won't do that, shootings like this will remain frequent and it doesn't make sense to mourn each time but do nothing to try to prevent it from happening again. After so many shootings and NOBODY coming up against the weapon industry, it's hard to hold on the mourning without making the nuance that a simple change of law could have avoided this drama.

Shall I drag this down to PPR for a good disabusing?

[Moved from News and Current Events to PPR]

"enjoy"

I guess you didn't read a thing I wrote. Fine man do what you want. This type of behavior will only hurt your agenda in the long run.

I read the post very well. But the demand for a mourning period and for not putting the knife deeper in the wound would make so much more sense, if these dramas would not happen every couple of months. After a while, people are tired of hearing news like this without anything being done to prevent re-occurance. So pointing to that doesn't mean one is insensible to what happens ; on the contrary, it's saying action has to be taken to prevent this from happening again.

By the way, "bully"ing into a "gunfree Utopia"? The use of the word "bullying" indicates you want things to stay as they are and that in a utopian place people would all walk around armed? Sounds more like a dystopia in which unsafety dominates everyday life.

Using tragic deaths as a soapbox cannot be justified no mater what side of the issue you reside. I wash my hands of this discussion, pervert it as you will.

Wonder if meds were involved (yet again) with the shooter in question.

Kid gets depressed, kid is given SSRI antidepressants, and generic ones to boot, which vary on dose. Then he is weaned off them because he's doing better. Suddenly, he turns into a homicidal maniac. I remember a poster on this board who was on Celexa, I think. She quit cold turkey, and for a month talked about nothing but suicide. Then she fortunately righted her ship, and got better.

But in Nevada, guns aren't allowed on school campuses unless carried by law enforcement officers who are on duty and assigned to carry firearms as required by their position.

This is unpossible, and couldn't have taken place, unless said child was somehow a law enforcement officer, or a law enforcement officer gave the student their weapon.

Completely unpossible.

Laws are in place that prevent this sort of occurence.

This is so really really unpossible to have taken place.

A 14 year-old boy stabbed his teacher to death in Danvers, Massachusetts today. It sounds like this kid might have Asperger's because he's a quiet kid. They emphasized this a lot on the news, but they didn't talk about how nice and outgoing the Reno, Nevada shooter was. They did the same thing with the Boston Marathon bombing. They talked a lot about how Tamerlane was quiet and kept to himself, but they didn't talk much about how extroverted and well-liked Dzokar was. F*** the media, with their extrovert supremacist agenda. This is part of the reason why I'm a separatist. If the media wasn't so heavily influenced by federal organizations with close ties to the KKK, they wouldn't be reporting this stuff in such a bigoted and vitriol way. I want the feds to keep their neo-nazi ideologies the f*** out of New England, and it seems like the only way to achieve that would be for New England to secede.

Ethnic breakdown of France (2004 statistics):
85% white/European
10% North African
3.5% black
1.5% Asian

It is worth noting that "Asian" includes Indians, Chinese, and Indonesians, for example, and "North African" includes a large number of Jews.

A more recent survey in 2009 indicated that approximately 5.25% of French people are first and second generation Maghrebi immigrants. That compares to 8% of the population who are first, second or third generation Italians.

And of course France famously banned the Burkha and the extreme-right is even influencing socialists like Hollande into anti-Muslim rhetoric.

In Sweden, 5% of the population are Finns. Another 7% are immigrants; in descending order of size, these are Yugoslavs, Danes, Norwegians, Greeks and Turks. That information is as of February and according to the CIA World Factbook. Of course, Sweden has taken a lot of Syrian refugees since then: about 12,000 have applied for asylum. The population of Sweden is 9,500,000. Syrian refugees make up 0.13% of the population

I think you confuse propaganda with asking for a change in law to prevent this from happening again. We've already had too much victims of such pointless shootings, everyone is mourning but the next day nothing changes. How often, how many times, can you only mourn without also pointing to the fact that we have to prevent incidents from re-occurring. This has nothing to do with using an event for political causes, it has to do with ringing the alarm bell: enough is enough, we had too many innocent people (of whom many youngsters) that died during a pointless shooting. We should do whatever it takes to assure no more innocent people face the same destiny.

Show me one country that solved it's violent crime problem through gun control, just one. Remember, I'm talking about violent crime, not gun crime, and about countries that actually had real problems with violence that they were able to solve by restricting or banning guns, so no cheating by naming countries that never had violent crime in the first place, like Japan. I'll expect you to show your work.

I can back my opinions up with evidence, can you?

Sweden has a very large Turkish, ex-Yugoslavian, and Assyrian (christian Syrians) expat population. Switzerland is another "nation of immigrants" with especially many Africans and many Turks.

Neither of these countries has a crime rate higher than average in Europe and many immigrants are very well integrated.

Emigration is a natural thing. Think of the Middle East: when the Jews moved from Egypt to then-Palestine, the area suddenly faced a large Jewish population. That was until the Romans came and conquered the area, causing a Jewish diaspora to literally all countries of the world. The area the Romans took then fell under Islamic control later.

Spain's south used to be under Muslim control for years but with peaceful coexistence with the Jews and Christians of the area. The Mores were a role model society of how multiculturalism can work. When Christian armies conquered the area, the Muslims moved southward towards north Africa and the Jews had to seek other places and continue their diaspora.

The Mongol empire was once one of the largest in the world, stretching into the present day Middle East, occupying what is now India, Iran, Pakistan, ...

British and Spanish colonialism have had a huge impact on the present day racial percentages of citizens of the US, Canada, and Latin American countries, while slavery in pre-independence time caused an African diaspora both to the Americas and Europe.



Just saying: immigration and the mass exodus of people to other lands, is a very natural process that has repeated itself multiple times during history. So if Muslims now move in large numbers to Europe, this is not an unnatural process and thus nothing we should be worried about or attempt to stop.
By the way, the rise of % Muslims in countries like Belgium, The Netherlands, Sweden etc also has to do with them having larger families, and with the fact that Islam is the religion which has most conversions compared to other religions (most "incoming" conversions I mean). A not to be neglected part of the Muslim communities in the Americas and Europe were locals who converted to Islam at some point.

It is no unnatural process, it is nothing we should try to stop. People moving and sometimes whole civilisations relocating has existed as long as civilisations have existed.

Yes. The violent crime you talk about, seems to be very much a result of the policy regarding owning guns. In the last years, shootings have been very common. So taking away those guns from people who aren't supposed to deal with them, is actually reducing the odds that violent crime will occur. Gun crime is a sub entity of violent crime after all.

Also, maybe ask yourself why countries like Japan, Norway, Finland, Sweden etc never had to cope with violent crime except in extremely rare cases? Norway and Finland don't even have life in prison, the maximum sentences are 21 (Norway, usually reduced to 14) years and 30 years (Finland). They do have the lowest crime rates of western Europe. Maybe ask yourself why they managed to keep crime under control ; and why the US didn't.

Also, there is the moral belief that guns are never a solution. This doesn't mean people aren't defended, it comes down to who is able to own a gun. Police, security firms, military staff for sure need to be armed, it is their job to maintain a safe public atmosphere. It is not up to citizens to start playing cop themselves.