re: 2014 and 2016 US Elections

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Picking up enough seats in the midterm, a Republican Congress, can make the party in the White House look even worse than they are.

The groups they offended, vote democrat anyway. Immigration is never going to legalize 15,000,000 who will vote democrat. Those few who get a degree, or join the service, can become citizens, but the rest have been evading taxes and collecting welfare for decades. They can stay if they pay up, and fines, but become guest workers, and never citizens.

Deportations reached around two million last year. I expect that rate to continue.

With border security, and another even six years of two million a year, we would have a grip on the illegal problem.

The Republican game plan does have some backers, who could increase legal employment over the next few years.

Wages in India and China are going up 15% a year, some production has already shifted to low wage Viet Nam, Bangladesh. Other work, counting long distance management, and shipping, could be better brought back to America.

Like war, it is just a method of getting the price right, and bringing manufacturing jobs to the Republican heartland.

NAFTA was Clinton, Obama has done the same, Made In America plants would swing foodstamp voters to Republican.

A lot of innovation that would never be allowed in America, what with Unions, EPA, various sex and race quotas, has been worked out in China, and can be returned as a set. The factories abandoned here were ruins. The cheap factories built in China, and the machines, are worn out. Time for another move, when the tax deal can be cut.

Cities like Detroit can not be saved, whole towns of bank owned real estate, but the price of plywood and 2 x 4s is down, and a new construction boom would produce lots of jobs, after we shut the Mexicans out.

It is a rerun, "It Is Morning in America."

We had more people killed in Viet Nam than we sent to Iraq and Afganistan. Hiring them would be good business.

2014 to 2016 can be a boom, that sets the stage for an American First flag waver, to be our next President.

Worldwide oil production is way up, we use less. Solar and wind are ready to come on strong.

We have social options, "I hereby sentence you to spend Twenty Years, within the city limits of Clevland." If you leave, you will face Life in Detroit.

The Chinese economy is contracting, they have never had that problem.

Our only enemy is the Saudi shadow army.

We are in good shape to reestablish our economic world leadership. We are still the largest customer.

It has not been liberal ideals and aid that has raised the world above poverty, it has been Capitalism.

Sp food stamps and decline, or being the Light of the World.

You must be a Democrat.

I am not.

Nor am I a Republican.

There are more than two electable parties in the U.S.

That means that I will vote either Green, Libertarian, or NPA.

(The "American Independents" are just an offshoot of the Democrats)

Or I could just be someone who knows what a Communist actually is.



Really? Please explain what other parties stand an actual shot of winning a House or Senate seat or the Presidency.

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This party isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Independent_Party

As for "self-declared independents", some are Democratic-leaning, others aren't.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/166763/recor ... dents.aspx

So wait, the Democratic party are filthy Communists but The Green Party is totally legit?

I can think of 537 reasons why voting for a third party candidate in the United States Presidential Election may not be a good idea...

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Love it or hate it, sometimes The Simpsons just hit the nail on the head.

"Legal Status"
Yesterday, the Republicans announced a willingness to give illegal aliens a "legal status" to be in the United States. Presumably, this means they still cannot vote.
However, a presidential executive order, or a future Congress can declare "we must do what is right", and sweep these people into citizenship.

Chain Migration:
Chain migration ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_migration ) allows for "family reunification", so that these new citizens will be able to immigrate an estimated
twenty million more very poor people.

See here, "Chain Migration will Bury The Republican Party"
http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2013 ... can-party/

◾S. 744 would allow unlimited visas for the spouses and children of all green card holders—both those currently illegal and new legal immigrants, leading to
exponential chain migration

That means first 15 mill are legalized, then they can bring in 30 million extended family, then those 30 million can bring in their extended family .... so hundreds of millions likely
Socialist voters become citizens in America

Tens of millions of the poorest people from Mexico, Central, South American will be in the U.S. expecting free health care, welfare, housing subsidies, food stamps,
and probably still complaining that the government is not doing enough to share the wealth. They want a Socialist party that will provide for them, because the
Democrats are too right wing.

Future two party system:
Thus, this possible future will morph the two party system into Democrats running against Socialists.

Socialist wins city council seat in Seattle
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... l/4349923/

Quoted: " will do my utmost to represent the disenfranchised and the excluded, the poor and the oppressed, by fighting for a $15-an-hour minimum wage,
affordable housing, and taxing the super-rich for a massive expansion of public transit and education," said Sawant, 41.

$15 minimum wage will sound good to the ballooning underclass of low wage service workers.

I feel comfortable saying that the Republican Party is going to disappear.

I don't see how America has much of a right to complain about Mexicans wanting to leave their country. We armed and cut deals with the cartels that are wreaking havoc across their nation. I'm not even talking about Fast and Furious, either. The DEA has active agreements with, IIRC, The Templars. And in the past, the CIA has funded itself by smuggling Colombian cocaine through Mexico, which helped spark the crack epidemic in American cities.

California is bankrupt and is facing a ton of problems going forward, while the Republican party hasn't been able to win to win there in presidential elections in recent years the party is far from dead on a state level and Jerry Brown hasn't been named dictator for life just yet. California republicans need find candidates that can appeal to the California electorate, that doesn't mean you become Democrat-lite you still have to offer something the other party isn't. Bad policies are bad policies regardless of party, Californians are hurting from an astronomical COL and are tired of being taxed up to their eyeballs. They're not frothing at the mouth communists like some would characterize them as. Not long ago Democrat Gray Davis became the 2nd governor in American history to be recalled and they elected Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger to replace him.

This is true, ending the drug war would go a long to stabilizing Mexico and driving out it's corrupting influences. We created the monster the is ravaging their country right now, ending the war on drugs would put these cartels out of business. Our own government and it's rogue intelligence agency are knee deep in drug trafficking themselves, people don't even know or don't care it seems. These people are criminals! Maybe if Mexico wasn't so unstable then the tide of illegal immigrants would slow to a trickle and maybe the ones already here would return to their home country.

No, an executive order on immigration would be an impeachable offense. It will not happen. Anything that happens will be with the consent of congress, this will be a test to see how strong of a grip does big business has on politics in this country since the biggest constituencies of BOTH parties do not want amnesty.

I'm probably just voting green again, although I don't believe voting is an effective political strategy. Just a secondary thing. Voting should be treated the way it is; a very limited tool at your disposal.

I wouldn't be surprised if another Democrat is elected President in 2016.

Republicans are becoming notorious for shooting themselves in the foot around election time and I wouldn't be surprised if this became a common trend. So far it looks like it's heading there as normal.

I'd really like the Justice Party to win. Rocky Anderson seems to actually live in the real world, unlike the Greens (who, for example, are anti-nuclear and anti-GM, both game breakers for me).

Realistically, I'd prefer a Democrat victory, and I think it will happen.

Somewhere in between, I'd like the Republicans to get their act together and actually challenge the Democrats on things like drone strikes, the NSA, failing to close Gitmo, imprisonment without trial, extending the PATRIOT act, the war on drugs, and so forth. That should preferably be somebody who was barely around under Bush. They should also stop embarrassing themselves on social issues such as women's rights, equal pay, whether homosexuality is a sin, and transphobia. That way, maybe some genuine economic debate could take place, as well as forcing both sides to commit to action on the civil and social issues. Ideally, I'd like to see a Democrat who is to Obama's left (preferably left of centre as well, but I'd settle for a centrist), a moderate Republican, and two candidates with a track record of voting for social justice and civil liberties.