Conservatives are ignorant, Liberals are naive.

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sly279
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20 Jan 2016, 1:13 am

I'd rather prepare for the mad max future the naive liberals make.

It's naive to think you can just spend spend spend and let debt Keep adding up the. Say lots of debt is good.

Apply that to average person. Is it considered good for you to pile up a ton of credit debt? How long will you get by if you just decide. It to pay your debt? Not long til your pay checks are garnisheed, property seized and sold to pay it. Yet it's ok for the government to not pay its debt 0.o

And banning all guns and surrendering to crimmals makes total sense.

There's a reason we don't let naive kids make decisions.



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20 Jan 2016, 10:44 am

sly279 wrote:
I'd rather prepare for the mad max future the naive liberals make.

It's naive to think you can just spend spend spend and let debt Keep adding up the. Say lots of debt is good.

Apply that to average person. Is it considered good for you to pile up a ton of credit debt? How long will you get by if you just decide. It to pay your debt? Not long til your pay checks are garnisheed, property seized and sold to pay it. Yet it's ok for the government to not pay its debt 0.o

And banning all guns and surrendering to crimmals makes total sense.

There's a reason we don't let naive kids make decisions.

You are confusing two completely different types of economics. The US dollar is a world reserve currency as well as a fiat currency. Its value is derived from the "full faith and credit" of the US.

As long as the US remains stable and powerful, its money is BETTER than gold. Just look at what happens everytime world stock markets crash--money RUNS to US bonds (whch fianances our debt) because the world still sees that as the best and safest place to keep money.

The only way this will change is if the right forces a deliberate default while they are doing their usual political f**kery.


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20 Jan 2016, 2:46 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
sly279 wrote:
I'd rather prepare for the mad max future the naive liberals make.

It's naive to think you can just spend spend spend and let debt Keep adding up the. Say lots of debt is good.

Apply that to average person. Is it considered good for you to pile up a ton of credit debt? How long will you get by if you just decide. It to pay your debt? Not long til your pay checks are garnisheed, property seized and sold to pay it. Yet it's ok for the government to not pay its debt 0.o

And banning all guns and surrendering to crimmals makes total sense.

There's a reason we don't let naive kids make decisions.

You are confusing two completely different types of economics. The US dollar is a world reserve currency as well as a fiat currency. Its value is derived from the "full faith and credit" of the US.

As long as the US remains stable and powerful, its money is BETTER than gold. Just look at what happens everytime world stock markets crash--money RUNS to US bonds (whch fianances our debt) because the world still sees that as the best and safest place to keep money.

The only way this will change is if the right forces a deliberate default while they are doing their usual political f**kery.

But the dollar is slowly losing its status as a world currency. Certain nations like China and Russia are making moves to theirs. China makes just about everything. Also both Russia and China are buying up all the gold they can get including ours.

This bubble can't last forever.



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27 Feb 2016, 2:41 pm

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Both sides of the spectrum have people who just don't seem to get it. These are the kind of people the opposition uses to try to embarrass the other party. This may be a distinction without a difference but to me it seems the craziness of the right is based on ignorance and the craziness on the left is due to naivety. Now I'm just talking about the fringes not the majority on either side.

Any thoughts on this?


It's been my experience that civilians in general are naive.


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27 Feb 2016, 3:27 pm

Raptor wrote:
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I think it boils down to conservatives saying that the poor should rely on charity (and many conservatives saying they should 'eat cake')and Democrats saying they should rely on the government.

When the government does something there is the inevitable corruption where politicians want a piece of the pie from a bridge building contract for example.

Conservatives seem heartless (and some of them are) but not all of them are like that.

jJFK once gave an anti tax speech , so even the Democrats of the past had conservative values.


I wouldn't have a problem with charity, except the religious right doesn't seem to grasp the fact that if they eliminate the government programs, the private sector won't be able to handle the load of poor and disabled needing help. I remember sone of the hierarchy in the Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran, United Methodist, UCC, and Presbyterian churches expressing fear of what might happen if and when the conservatives get their way.


As a fellow Lutheran and mainline Protestant, I very much concur.


I don't think you two have anything to worry about. Hard as it might be for the two of you to believe, there is enough intelligence on the right side of the aisle to know that ending public assistance would likely wreck the country.
It's pathetic to have this many people on the dole but to cut them all off would be worse.

The best we can hope for is a moral renaissance where people of able body and mind (able enough, anyway) and the availability work see the value of earning a living.
I for one am not going to hold my breath waiting for that renaissance.


Holy crap, i think the world is ending. I agree with Raptor again.

I don't know how many on the right do realize that, but there does seem an overabundance entitlement in the US. Being able to work and therefore working...some people are not - mental, physical, whatever. And for them, there needs a support system. But some are and make some pretty big choices and expect, despite choices made, that they should be handed things.

This is not to say there should not be other changes such as increased availability to higher education, or that some of the available jobs are crappy and the income dismal, but it is to say that even on the far left of communism - from each according to his or her ability is not if you have ability and choose to do nothing you should get something for it.


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27 Feb 2016, 3:35 pm

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That what the conservative or liberal said is clearly painfully, obviously dumb to the respective audience is a given. Quite why it is so is can be a lot harder to break down and explain or understand.

It seems like the common discourse veers that way a lot; I've been lucky in my day to find some people who were willing to really talk out what they believed and why they believed it, short of that when people just jeer the other side there's no way to learn anything from it.


I've started to believe that is because there isn't anything to learn from it. It seems a fair percentage of people believe what their parents say, the news tells them, the internet say (worse, don't differentiate between reputable sources) and parrot. Loudly. There isn't a process of critical thinking behind it, and there isn't deeper understanding or reasoning behind it. Just very high level of joe said this, it must be right, i repeat it.

Fortunately not all people are that way, and thus some have beliefs based on deeper thought - with whom you can have a great discussion. But, many are.


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29 Feb 2016, 3:36 am

another 8 months of hearing macho blame-gaming/scapegoating from GOP candidates with NONE of them offering substantial policy proposals [other than kicking the poor out of their healthcare and building a dumbassed wall that mexico will somehow pay for] and in fact acting like PPACA is the only problem. :roll: