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14 Mar 2017, 8:04 am

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This is a racist-based assumption that is being too normalized among Caucasians, every time I am with an Asian and people are like 'are you dating your maid?'.

The little girl does have asian facial features.

No, I don't think the article is overacting, this symptom is real.

How do you know only caucasians thought that?

Because Caucasians, specifically male non-leftist liberal Caucasians, are inherently racist. Only they would come to such a deplorable conclusion.

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14 Mar 2017, 8:21 am

I've seen the video several times on TV and I had no idea what the woman's ethnicity was----but, I TOO thought it was the nanny, because it was during the day.

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14 Mar 2017, 8:47 am

EzraS wrote:

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How do you know only caucasians thought that?

Because Caucasians, specifically male non-leftist liberal Caucasians, are inherently racist. Only they would come to such a deplorable conclusion.

Isn't that statement inherently racist? That isn't evidence either.

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14 Mar 2017, 9:00 am

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Who was harmed by the assumption of some random people on the internet?

Was she demoted from wife to maid due to the flawed perceptions of viewers?

We all make shorthand assumptions based on preconceptions, and it's easy to understand why some might view that short scene and come to the conclusion that the woman nervously shepherding the two small children out of the room, doing her best to hide behind furniture and crouching low so as not to draw attention away from the man being interviewed is clearly subservient to said fellow.

Perhaps it's more of an indictment of him than it is of her.

Or it could be, you know, the fact it's going to be seen by potentially millions, which indeed it was, that's the cause of that, or maybe the fact she might be worried she just torpedoed her husband's career out of the water, or both, rather than her husband, who doesn't even look that bothered by the whole thing.

Honestly though, I am really disappointed by many of the posts in this thread.

The point being that we're describing reasonable responses by human beings who have very little context for what's occurring on screen.

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The only concern I have is for the callous manner in which he pushed his daughter away.

I think you're really overreacting.

Overreacting how? I commented on the single aspect of the 40 second clip that I personally found to be a little off-key. It's not as if I'm suggesting he have his children taken away, or the state executes him. Are you making a meta-joke by overreacting to my post, or are you perhaps finding it hard to understand why a parent might find his reaction to be callous?

To provide context as to why I found it distasteful, were I to be interviewed live on television, and my son came into the room, my response would be to lift him onto my lap and accommodate his intrusion.

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How do you know only caucasians thought that?

Because Caucasians, specifically male non-leftist liberal Caucasians, are inherently racist. Only they would come to such a deplorable conclusion.

Isn't that statement inherently racist? That isn't evidence either.

It's both racist and based on the flawed assumption that the only reason people assumed she was a maid was due to her appearance. I've already provided what I consider to be a plausible explanation based on the events of the scenario rather than the race of the involved parties.

Are there racist people? Yes. Are they representative of their entire race? No, to suggest so is racist.

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14 Mar 2017, 9:09 am

I think the worst thing about racism is the bullying and associated bad behaviours behind it. I don't think an assumption based on a short clip is something to be alarmed about. As Erza said, which is quite relevant, the lady looked a lot younger than him too, and as someone else mentioned, did look submissive. I really don't see any ill-intentions behind the assumption that she could have been a maid.

It's not like they said, "Oh look, she's (insert comment about her being inferior in some way, because she's Asian), she must be his maid".

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14 Mar 2017, 9:36 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

lol, the obtuseness in this thread is real. Asian stereotypes were historically developed from the perspectives of white men (In America to be exact, but America has influence beyond its own borders) which doesn't mean that only white men or people are capable of being racist but that Asian stereotypes cater to them.

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14 Mar 2017, 11:45 am

BettaPonic wrote:

EzraS wrote:

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How do you know only caucasians thought that?

Because Caucasians, specifically male non-leftist liberal Caucasians, are inherently racist. Only they would come to such a deplorable conclusion.

Isn't that statement inherently racist? That isn't evidence either.

Yes. Satire.

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14 Mar 2017, 11:58 am

The only problem am seeing in the clip, is him pushing the kid back, he should of grabbed the kid but her on his lap and carried on.

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14 Mar 2017, 12:03 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:

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People maintain things that are convenient for them. Colonialism took a variety of forms, and used existing cultural practices as well as imported ones to develop its stereotypes. It's not like white people invented all this stuff out of whole cloth at a committee meeting. I find the people who think that we can remake history as amusing as I find the people who think they can restore a history which they have actually invented.

Overcoming stereotypes comes pretty easily when people share a common goal. Segregation will never overcome stereotypes.

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14 Mar 2017, 1:21 pm

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The only problem am seeing in the clip, is him pushing the kid back, he should of grabbed the kid but her on his lap and carried on.

Good to know I'm not the only one.

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14 Mar 2017, 1:34 pm

He didn't even look at her, did he? She sort of fell into that squishy table like thing behind him, she possibly might have hurt herself. He could have brought her in front of him casually so he could keep an eye on her.

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14 Mar 2017, 2:03 pm

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Your statements are so broad I don't even know where to begin. Maintain what things? And what imported practices has America used to form stereotypes of Asians other than which relates to Orientalism from Europe? How do you figure that the implications of my statements have anything to do with inventing stuff out of a committee meeting as opposed to just spreading myths over time based on sexual and economic competition which are all exacerbated by the fact that Asians look different? What do any of my statements have to do with revisionist or fabricated history? What exactly are you getting at when it comes to common goals, stereotypes, and segregation?

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While those who have internalized such stereotypes may not have any bad intentions and may simply be ignorant as opposed to bigoted, the stereotypes themselves have certainly come from subjugation. I disagree that it is nothing to be alarmed about; such assumptions are problematic and can easily lead to full blown racism.

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14 Mar 2017, 4:57 pm

Behaving subservient ? obedient? Why because she was hiding from the camera?

They were both just panicked from the situation for a brief moment.

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14 Mar 2017, 4:59 pm

smudge wrote:

In most video call software, you can see yourself on screen.

Look, if he was a bad and abusive dad, both kids wouldn't enter his home office comfortably like this; It's pretty much clear they're used to do that.

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14 Mar 2017, 5:31 pm

@ adifferentname: I significantly overestimated the strength of your reaction. I don't have a problem with what you said now.

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14 Mar 2017, 5:35 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:

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It's not just Americans, but every conqueror and colonizer back to at least Egypt. Stereotypes and prejudices are maintained as long as they serve a purpose, and often carry over into the post colonial period. People never seem to get over them as long as they stay separated. Any good normal goal should suffice. People have to update their expectations based on direct experience, if their learned assumptions come from colonial thinking. That covers most people's unconsciousness.

It certainly grows into bigger problems. I consider clouded thinking a fairly big problem already.

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