Cain: the evil one or simply infantile?

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Lots of theories on Cain.

Herman Hesses' Demian is an amazing book which talks about the mark of cain and abraxas.

I literally finished reading it last week.

Cain was sent to wander (Land of Nod) and then finally started a family.
It is much more likely many of us are from Cain, and those who are don't fit the usual mold.

Demian talks about how g-d has two parts, like cain and abel and man cannot deny this.

Ex. People who think sex is bad but it is necessary for creation.

G-d has both parts

Yah I have heard about the theories that the descendants of Cain are alive today. I guess the problem that I have with it is the fact that there was flood that supposedly killed everyone other than Noah and his family.

One way it is explained away is by saying that when bible uses the word "earth" in statements such as flood was over the whole earth, it doesn't literally mean "all the earth" but rather "relevent part of the earth". This idea is supported by Cain's statement that he was "expelled from the earth". On the other hand, sceptic would say that in the bible there were no indication of any one other than Noah having been spared.

I guess personally I am not sure what position to take on this one, but I am always curious to learn what others think. So, what is your view on how descendants of Cain survived through the flood?

So where did cains wife come from dude? if there were other humans on the earth when adam and eve were around how then could have all life came from them? and if thats not the case how come the bible doesn't say anything about adam and eve having other children?

the bible is full of inaccuracies, and ripoff storys

I have at least two theories that would speculate on the subject

1)It is possible that Cain and Abel had brothers and sisters. THere were no prohibition from marrying brothers or sisters for obvious reasons. It only came later as a result of gene mutation that made God concerned about diseases that might result from this. This obviously wasn't an issue with first humans since genes didn't have time to mutate. Of course, bible doesn't mention his sisters, but the point is that there is a pattern in the bible that it focuses on males. For example, I believe that in the story of exodus Bible says that Moses have lead out such and such number of men, "not counting women and children". So in light of this, what might have happened is that Cain and Abel were the only MALE children.

2)In genesis there are two creation stories: Gen 1:26 and Gen 2:7. So it is possible that the men created in Gen 1:26 are pre-adamic people, and these are the ones that children of Adam and Eve intermarried with. I guess there is a problem with Gen 2:5 because it mentioned that there were no men to till the ground despite Gen 1:26. But this can be explained by the fact that the two creations occured in different places of the earth. The alternative explanation might be that there was ice age between Gen 1:26 and Gen 2:5 and thus people created in Gen 1:26 died out. This is supported archeologically because I believe there is some kind of evidence of ice age at around that time. However, even in this case it is possible that FEW humans have survived it in order to intermarry with Adam and Eve. Furthermore, I still have explanation 1 to my disposal that Cain actually married his sisters.

modern humans have been around from 200,000 - 250,000 years ago. genesis creations of modern man have them at 6,000 years ago. hmm that kindof shoots your theory of a "god" making anyone

Like I said there have been ice ages much sooner than the time frame you provided.

Furthermore, I remember reading somewhere that they have discovered a new gene originating at some point around 6000 years ago. So this would support my hypothesis that Adam and Eve were created independantly of already-existing species and they are carriers of that new gene.

It is also possible that pre-adamic humans indeed evolved from monkeys, while God simply made a clone of them by creating Adam and Eve. This is similar to the way humans procreate through sex but this didn't stop God from creating Jesus in Mary's womb by hand. I know you don't believe in Jesus but I am just saying that my theory doesn't contradict the logic of the bible.

show me the link for this new gene otherwise it becomes religious babble. and much of the book of genesis is ripped off from the sumerians you do know that right? why don't you go read what they wrote about the creation of man instead of take what the jews stole from them

If your talking about the Y-chromosomal adam and Mitochondrial eve, there's no way that makes sence because they didn't live at the same time. there's about a 30,000 year timespan between the two. and also there was other females besides the one "eve" living at the time. so not everyone came from her, if that was the case everyone would have gone extinct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam

Well, even if they have been separated by so many years, still each of them had an opposite sex partner in order to reproduce. Therefore, biblical Adam and Eve can be either of these two couples. Besides, even if neither of them are true Adam and Eve, this might still give you some evidence that SOMETHING does happen, so why can't this SOMETHING happen one more time in garden of Eden? In light of idea of pre-adamic ppl these incidents are not mutually exclusive.

As far as there being creation stories in other religions, here is how it makes sense. If the false religions were invented by descendants of Adam and Eve, then they might still remember their family story simply because it getts passed from generation to generation. The problem is that this story gets distorted. Thats why God had to reveale the true story to Abraham and later to Moses, despite the fact that it was passed down in one form or another anyway. So, given that God has better memory than people, I would trust a group of people that heard it supernaturally from God over a group of people who got it passed down through their ancestry.

um it's kindof hard when you're the first civilization in recorded history, (the sumerians) and come up with much of the story's the old testement ripped off, to be considerd the fraud dude.

you know what i think? i think you want the bible to be true so bad that even when blinding evidence of its untruthfullness is shown to you, you won't believe it.

I never said it was a fraud. If you read carefully what I said, I have said that sumerians are DESCENDANTS of Adam and Eve, therefore the story was passed to them through their ancestry taht was leading to Adam and Eve. As for Jews, God told them the story supernaturally just like bible says. But since both God and ancestral history are two separate ways of learning the same truth, no wonder they agree.

Okay lets put it this way. If two students do well on a test, their answers will agree. Did they plaguirise from each other? No. Rather, each of them have arrived at truth through studying hard. Same here. Jews and Sumerians both got right answer. It doesn't mean one of them plaguirised from the otehr eiether. Rather they both did their studying -- Sumerians through doing a good job of keeping ancestral history, and Jews through God's revelation. Okay fine, Jews leanred it later than sumerians. But again think of a test. Some students finish before others. But it doesn't mean that slower students plaguirize from the faster ones.



What do you mean by "blinding evidence of its untruthfulness" if I just have presented at least oen way in which it can be true? By the way I just thought of another way to answer you even more convincingly. The bible DOES have two Adams -- the second one is Noah. Also, who knows how much time it has passed since the creation of first Adam untill the forbidden fruit -- after all he was imortal untill he ate it. So, this accounts for the time between the first Adam and Noah.

let me see if this makes sence.

you make up storys about the creation of man, the flood story and such you're people are thousands of years before the jewish people. enter jewish people a couple of thousands of years later, they take most of you're storys and turn them into there own. and suddenly now "god" shows you the correct way? don't you think the first time a story is told its the truth? even if its a myth? do you see what i'm saying?

why would the jews only be given the truth, when they stole most of the sumerians myths? the only difference is they added "the one god theory" to it. thats it partner. it doesn't make sence at all it's alot of wishfull thinking on the part of some who stole others ideas and called them thier own.

My dad learned quantum 30 years before I ever did. And then all of a sudden I learn quantum all the same. So, I stole it from my dad, right? Wrong! Each of us learned it independantly from the text books. Same here. It doesn't matter how much is the age difference. It doesn't excluse the possibility for two groups of ppl to learn independantly the same thing from some third party.

thats different because its something that can be proven. ok anyone's theory's about "how you should live your life now, so you'll get to heaven when you die" cannot be proven to any degree so when your looking at origions of man, you get right down to the basics and what the first people said about how man was created. (if you want to believe that) you also have to take into consideration that religion plays alot on peoples minds because they are told that "this is the only way" christianity is a good example. did jesus exist? oh im sure he did. was he the son of god? i don't know. maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. what i am sure of is that religion plays alot of fear into peoples lives, so hopefully if they know all the facts they'll be able to make there own decisions on what the truth is