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04 Jan 2018, 9:32 pm

"trickle down economics" is a whopper.



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04 Jan 2018, 9:36 pm

auntblabby wrote:
"trickle down economics" is a whopper.


That it is. Even one of that theory's main proponents is now speaking out against it.


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04 Jan 2018, 9:40 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
"trickle down economics" is a whopper.


That it is. Even one of that theory's main proponents is now speaking out against it.

david stockman?



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04 Jan 2018, 9:44 pm

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People in general who seem to readily eagerly go along with most anything said against Trump.


You're trying to look smart using some very cheap methods.

Yeah, some people will eat up anything anti-Trump. Some people will eat up anything anti-Obama. Lots of people literally believed that Obama was the antichrist. None of this is new to me. You aren't making a clever revelation. You're stating the obvious.

These fact-checking websites are usually run by unbiased individuals. Trump has lied several times. The oil companies funded his campaign because they knew he would lie in their defense. This isn't new to me.

Yeah, lots of people hate Trump. That's because he's a cartoonish buffoon who is in control of the most powerful military in history.

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04 Jan 2018, 10:52 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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People in general who seem to readily eagerly go along with most anything said against Trump.


You're trying to look smart using some very cheap methods.

Yeah, some people will eat up anything anti-Trump. Some people will eat up anything anti-Obama. Lots of people literally believed that Obama was the antichrist. None of this is new to me. You aren't making a clever revelation. You're stating the obvious.

These fact-checking websites are usually run by unbiased individuals. Trump has lied several times. The oil companies funded his campaign because they knew he would lie in their defense. This isn't new to me.

Yeah, lots of people hate Trump. That's because he's a cartoonish buffoon who is in control of the most powerful military in history.


There is no method, just opinion. You sound paranoid.

The issue with the hatred is that it's laid on so thick it comes off as blind unreasoning hatred. Most of anti-trumpism goes so overboard, it just ends up sounding kooky. Kooky doesn't come off as credible. It should be dialed down some to sound more reasonable and less hysterical.

The inevitable justification to that usually seems to be that Alex Jones type claims like Obama was the antichrist sounds kooky too. How is that a defense?



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04 Jan 2018, 11:19 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
"trickle down economics" is a whopper.


That it is. Even one of that theory's main proponents is now speaking out against it.

david stockman?


No, I can't recall the gent's name.


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04 Jan 2018, 11:22 pm

I don't know why many of you Americans trust Trump. He's going to turn around and screw you. You think he'll really for example stop illegal immigration? The elites actually ''like'' illegal immigration because they can have these people work in their factories or their back yard for next to nothing. They actually see it as ''good for business''.

And the Muslim ban thing (from certain countries) may not last either as the Saudi's may bribe him to end it. And he may take the bribe.



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04 Jan 2018, 11:27 pm

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I don't know why many of you Americans trust Trump. He's going to turn around and screw you. You think he'll really for example stop illegal immigration? The elites actually ''like'' illegal immigration because they can have these people work in their factories or their back yard for next to nothing. They actually see it as ''good for business''.

And the Muslim ban thing (from certain countries) may not last either as the Saudi's may bribe him to end it. And he may take the bribe.


One Thing: The Muslim ban already doesn't apply to Saudi Arabia.

You get a 9/10.


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04 Jan 2018, 11:28 pm

bethannny wrote:
I don't know why many of you Americans trust Trump. He's going to turn around and screw you. You think he'll really for example stop illegal immigration? The elites actually ''like'' illegal immigration because they can have these people work in their factories or their back yard for next to nothing. They actually see it as ''good for business''.

And the Muslim ban thing (from certain countries) may not last either as the Saudi's may bribe him to end it. And he may take the bribe.


For me at least it's more like I don't see everything he does as having some nefarious plan behind it.



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04 Jan 2018, 11:33 pm

bethannny wrote:
I don't know why many of you Americans trust Trump. He's going to turn around and screw you. You think he'll really for example stop illegal immigration? The elites actually ''like'' illegal immigration because they can have these people work in their factories or their back yard for next to nothing. They actually see it as ''good for business''. And the Muslim ban thing (from certain countries) may not last either as the Saudi's may bribe him to end it. And he may take the bribe.

our educational system is designed to dumb us down, to create compliant drones and nothing more. only the children of the wealthy get anything resembling a true education. Canada at least has a somewhat more decent public educational system. I don't believe you would ever vote for somebody like pr*sident prettyhair. you have better sense than that.



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04 Jan 2018, 11:39 pm

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bethannny wrote:
I don't know why many of you Americans trust Trump. He's going to turn around and screw you. You think he'll really for example stop illegal immigration? The elites actually ''like'' illegal immigration because they can have these people work in their factories or their back yard for next to nothing. They actually see it as ''good for business''.

And the Muslim ban thing (from certain countries) may not last either as the Saudi's may bribe him to end it. And he may take the bribe.


For me at least it's more like I don't see everything he does as having some nefarious plan behind it.


That tax reform of his does benefit him and his rich friends, while the middle class tax cuts are temporary.
His attempts to strangle Obamacare can potentially leave millions of people without medical coverage.
He's thrown the LGBT community under the bus - a thing he promised he'd never do - to repay his fundie and holy roller supporters for their votes.
He's killed off net neutrality, rendering a public utility like the internet a thing to be controlled by the rich and powerful.
There's plenty more examples I could cite of Trump's nefarious plans behind facades and false promises, but it's too depressing for me to go on.


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04 Jan 2018, 11:41 pm

plus he TOTALLY BROKE A PROMISE to not mess with the pot market, but attorney general Keebler Elf just today put it out that he is gonna do just that. :wall:



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04 Jan 2018, 11:55 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
bethannny wrote:
I don't know why many of you Americans trust Trump. He's going to turn around and screw you. You think he'll really for example stop illegal immigration? The elites actually ''like'' illegal immigration because they can have these people work in their factories or their back yard for next to nothing. They actually see it as ''good for business''.

And the Muslim ban thing (from certain countries) may not last either as the Saudi's may bribe him to end it. And he may take the bribe.


For me at least it's more like I don't see everything he does as having some nefarious plan behind it.


That tax reform of his does benefit him and his rich friends, while the middle class tax cuts are temporary.
His attempts to strangle Obamacare can potentially leave millions of people without medical coverage.
He's thrown the LGBT community under the bus - a thing he promised he'd never do - to repay his fundie and holy roller supporters for their votes.
He's killed off net neutrality, rendering a public utility like the internet a thing to be controlled by the rich and powerful.
There's plenty more examples I could cite of Trump's nefarious plans behind facades and false promises, but it's too depressing for me to go on.


I understand. I personally don't see those things quite the same way. I mean if he's that blatantly out to screw over and even kill off that many Americans, he doesn't have any future as a president.



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04 Jan 2018, 11:59 pm

auntblabby wrote:
bethannny wrote:
I don't know why many of you Americans trust Trump. He's going to turn around and screw you. You think he'll really for example stop illegal immigration? The elites actually ''like'' illegal immigration because they can have these people work in their factories or their back yard for next to nothing. They actually see it as ''good for business''. And the Muslim ban thing (from certain countries) may not last either as the Saudi's may bribe him to end it. And he may take the bribe.

our educational system is designed to dumb us down, to create compliant drones and nothing more. only the children of the wealthy get anything resembling a true education. Canada at least has a somewhat more decent public educational system. I don't believe you would ever vote for somebody like pr*sident prettyhair. you have better sense than that.


That's true.

I'm glad that public education exists, but the curriculum has been heavily corrupted. This is because the public schools are run buy the government, which has been corrupted by corporate lobbyists.

We need to democratize the US government in order to give it a perfect education system.

The main problem with the modern Western education system is its pro-corporate bias. For example, the history classes tend to ignore inconvenient truths regarding the history of Western foreign policy.

Some Canadian politicians have been pretty bad, but they have never been as bad as Donald Trump. Canada has at least a tiny amount of democracy ... due to the restrictions on lobbying. Stephen Harper was pretty bad ... but Canada is somewhat democratic ... so he couldn't take his awfulness too far.


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05 Jan 2018, 12:12 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
bethannny wrote:
I don't know why many of you Americans trust Trump. He's going to turn around and screw you. You think he'll really for example stop illegal immigration? The elites actually ''like'' illegal immigration because they can have these people work in their factories or their back yard for next to nothing. They actually see it as ''good for business''. And the Muslim ban thing (from certain countries) may not last either as the Saudi's may bribe him to end it. And he may take the bribe.

our educational system is designed to dumb us down, to create compliant drones and nothing more. only the children of the wealthy get anything resembling a true education. Canada at least has a somewhat more decent public educational system. I don't believe you would ever vote for somebody like pr*sident prettyhair. you have better sense than that.


That's true.

I'm glad that public education exists, but the curriculum has been heavily corrupted. This is because the public schools are run buy the government, which has been corrupted by corporate lobbyists.

We need to democratize the US government in order to give it a perfect education system.

The main problem with the modern Western education system is its pro-corporate bias. For example, the history classes tend to ignore inconvenient truths regarding the history of Western foreign policy.

Some Canadian politicians have been pretty bad, but they have never been as bad as Donald Trump. Canada has at least a tiny amount of democracy ... due to the restrictions on lobbying. Stephen Harper was pretty bad ... but Canada is somewhat democratic ... so he couldn't take his awfulness too far.


"This has all been said before. You aren't making a clever revelation. You're stating the obvious."



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05 Jan 2018, 1:54 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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bethannny wrote:
I don't know why many of you Americans trust Trump. He's going to turn around and screw you. You think he'll really for example stop illegal immigration? The elites actually ''like'' illegal immigration because they can have these people work in their factories or their back yard for next to nothing. They actually see it as ''good for business''.

And the Muslim ban thing (from certain countries) may not last either as the Saudi's may bribe him to end it. And he may take the bribe.


For me at least it's more like I don't see everything he does as having some nefarious plan behind it.


That tax reform of his does benefit him and his rich friends, while the middle class tax cuts are temporary.
His attempts to strangle Obamacare can potentially leave millions of people without medical coverage.
He's thrown the LGBT community under the bus - a thing he promised he'd never do - to repay his fundie and holy roller supporters for their votes.
He's killed off net neutrality, rendering a public utility like the internet a thing to be controlled by the rich and powerful.
There's plenty more examples I could cite of Trump's nefarious plans behind facades and false promises, but it's too depressing for me to go on.


I understand. I personally don't see those things quite the same way. I mean if he's that blatantly out to screw over and even kill off that many Americans, he doesn't have any future as a president.


He can keep rolling along as President as long as he has enough supporters who believe everything he tells them.


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