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13 Jan 2018, 6:44 pm

Corporate people, in general, think about the "bottom line."

Beyond that, though, some of these sorts of people have decent notions in their minds.



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13 Jan 2018, 7:09 pm

Europe smelled that way too until the 19th Century when they started putting in modern sewerage in cities.

But just about every American voter would nod in agreement when someone in the room would describe the 2016 U.S. election as a "s**t show".U Tubers would use that very phrase without garnering offense from any American voter of any political stripe. But those same unphased voters in the room would kick your ass if you described the country itself as a "s**t hole". A hole and a show are not quite the same thing ( whether either has the S word in front of it or not).

Libya was in upheaveal leading up to and following the overthrow of Khaddaffi. It still is pretty much. So the then POTUS was describing the situation, and not the country itself, as an S show.



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13 Jan 2018, 8:10 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Europe smelled that way too until the 19th Century when they started putting in modern sewerage in cities.

But just about every American voter would nod in agreement when someone in the room would describe the 2016 U.S. election as a "s**t show".U Tubers would use that very phrase without garnering offense from any American voter of any political stripe. But those same unphased voters in the room would kick your ass if you described the country itself as a "s**t hole". A hole and a show are not quite the same thing ( whether either has the S word in front of it or not).

Libya was in upheaveal leading up to and following the overthrow of Khaddaffi. It still is pretty much. So the then POTUS was describing the situation, and not the country itself, as an S show.


Thank you for that important fact. On top of that, Obama never used that as an excuse to deny Libyan immigrants entry into America.


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13 Jan 2018, 8:11 pm

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Obama is not a Marxist. And he's not a Muslim.

Jesus Christ, man....where are you getting your info????


I get the impression that sort of thinking is common in his part of the country, which many consider to be the $hithole of America.


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13 Jan 2018, 8:17 pm

Richmond is actually a nice city, with many progressively-minded people.



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13 Jan 2018, 8:42 pm

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Richmond is actually a nice city, with many progressively-minded people.


I'm sure it it.


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14 Jan 2018, 4:39 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Europe smelled that way too until the 19th Century when they started putting in modern sewerage in cities.

But just about every American voter would nod in agreement when someone in the room would describe the 2016 U.S. election as a "s**t show".U Tubers would use that very phrase without garnering offense from any American voter of any political stripe. But those same unphased voters in the room would kick your ass if you described the country itself as a "s**t hole". A hole and a show are not quite the same thing ( whether either has the S word in front of it or not).

Libya was in upheaveal leading up to and following the overthrow of Khaddaffi. It still is pretty much. So the then POTUS was describing the situation, and not the country itself, as an S show.


Thank you for that important fact. On top of that, Obama never used that as an excuse to deny Libyan immigrants entry into America.


How lovely of him. He destroyed their country and killed thousands of their people, but bless him he let some of them into the US. That makes it all ok.


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14 Jan 2018, 4:41 pm

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Of course that was reprehensible....because he killed civilians who weren't combatants in the war.

His motivation was to seek to save hundreds of thousands of soldier lives.....but the fact that he killed innocent people makes his decision reprehensible.


If he had positive motives, why did corporate America fund his campaign?

In America, it's impossible to get elected unless you are a corporate lapdog.


Because they saw his voting record. They knew people would fall for the propaganda slogans and race stuff. Then they knew Obama could bomb 7 different countries and the media wouldn't say a word because he is a non white Democrat.


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14 Jan 2018, 8:53 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Europe smelled that way too until the 19th Century when they started putting in modern sewerage in cities.

But just about every American voter would nod in agreement when someone in the room would describe the 2016 U.S. election as a "s**t show".U Tubers would use that very phrase without garnering offense from any American voter of any political stripe. But those same unphased voters in the room would kick your ass if you described the country itself as a "s**t hole". A hole and a show are not quite the same thing ( whether either has the S word in front of it or not).

Libya was in upheaveal leading up to and following the overthrow of Khaddaffi. It still is pretty much. So the then POTUS was describing the situation, and not the country itself, as an S show.


Thank you for that important fact. On top of that, Obama never used that as an excuse to deny Libyan immigrants entry into America.


How lovely of him. He destroyed their country and killed thousands of their people, but bless him he let some of them into the US. That makes it all ok.


Yes, indeed-i-deed! :P


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15 Jan 2018, 5:32 pm

I'm worried you're actually serious.


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16 Jan 2018, 12:57 am

JohnPowell wrote:
I'm worried you're actually serious.


Yes-indeedi-deedi-doo! :P


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16 Jan 2018, 1:02 am

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Europe smelled that way too until the 19th Century when they started putting in modern sewerage in cities.

But just about every American voter would nod in agreement when someone in the room would describe the 2016 U.S. election as a "s**t show".U Tubers would use that very phrase without garnering offense from any American voter of any political stripe. But those same unphased voters in the room would kick your ass if you described the country itself as a "s**t hole". A hole and a show are not quite the same thing ( whether either has the S word in front of it or not).

Libya was in upheaveal leading up to and following the overthrow of Khaddaffi. It still is pretty much. So the then POTUS was describing the situation, and not the country itself, as an S show.


Thank you for that important fact. On top of that, Obama never used that as an excuse to deny Libyan immigrants entry into America.


How lovely of him. He destroyed their country and killed thousands of their people, but bless him he let some of them into the US. That makes it all ok.



Obama was a warhawk, who wasn't significantly different from the neocons who preceded him. Not liking one horrible president doesn't mean one must like another horrible president because they're wearing the other team's jersey.


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16 Jan 2018, 4:50 pm

I wish that was the case but people are too biased and tribal.


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16 Jan 2018, 4:57 pm

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How quickly they forget !

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/12/flash ... a-st-show/

Oh, and BTW, DT was spot on about what he said. Once again, he spoke the truth. Once again, media wanted to crucify him. I have a relative who is in the military and was stationed in Haiti in the '90s. He said it was one of the worst experiences of his life.

Are you aware that the tu quoque fallacy, also known as "whataboutery", has a lengthy historical association with Russian propaganda?

Attempting to respond to criticism of the current President's bad behavior by saying "Obama did it first nyah nyah what about that!?" is a failure to respond to the actual criticism. It's pointless.

Donald Trump is responsible for every ugly thing that comes out of his ugly mouth.


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16 Jan 2018, 5:01 pm

"Whataboutery" is just a term made up by people who can't deal with the counter argument. It is pure newspeak. It's a very good point to bring up Obama and pointing out the outrage wasn't there when he did similar things and far worse.


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16 Jan 2018, 5:14 pm

Sure, but "whataboutery" or "whataboutism" are just modern buzzwords used to replace a Latin phrase that educated, logical people used to describe the fallacious appeal to hypocrisy for centuries.

Tu quoque involves charging an accuser with whatever it is you've just been accused of, rather than refuting the truth of the accusation itself. It's evasion. The term has been active in the English language for about 400 years and has been put to use by a number of writers, including C.S. Lewis, who penned, "your condemnation of my taste is insolent; only manners deter me from a tu quoque," in An Experiment in Criticism. The phrase translates as "you too."


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