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26 Mar 2018, 1:34 pm

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Why is targeting the wealthy any different?

You're missing my point. I'm saying that it isn't any different.

We live in a society which is increasingly teaching men not to rape and teaching white people to check their privilege. Neither of those things are bad, but we also need to teach the rich to stop being greedy pigs.

"Liberals" nowadays are hypocrites who think that men need to be taught not to rape, but don't think that the rich deserve any sort of moral lecture. That's why I'm a socialist. Socialism, unlike plain old liberalism, is consistent. It hasn't been bought out by fatcats.

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Targeting corruption and theft is different thing.

Well ... we might as well call ourselves anti-rich because rich people and their "conservative" muppets start bitching about communism whenever anti-corruption legislation is discussed.

People are going to call you a socialist if you want anti-corruption legislation. You might as well embrace it.

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How is it greedy for the rich to want to keep their money but not greedy for wanting to take it away from them?

If you take wealth from one person and give it to someone else who needs that wealth in order to avoid starvation, that is heroism, not greed.

Socialism was never about envy. It has always been about survival.

First off men do not need to be taught raping is wrong rapists know its wrong and do it anyway because they are evil.

Your monthly internet bill could feed a starving person for a month in a poor country why don't you cancel you subscription and give them the money you save?

When you take money from productive people and give it to unproductive people you get more unproductive people that is not good for society or the individual.

The vast majority of people are against corruption however if you give people the option of socialism or a corrupt version of capitalism they will choose the corrupt version of capitalism because they know they will be better off.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:35 pm

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OP isn't being evil at all. He just wants the rich to work as hard as the poor. Why is this such a bad idea?

Why is it evil to imprison (presumably without trial) and sentence to hard labour people above a certain wealth threshold (determined by...?) ? Yes, how could that possibly be evil?

Did you miss the part where recently OP wanted to make certain thoughts illegal so he could murder the people having them "legally"?

And now OP wants a societal revolution based entirely on spite.

They should have a trial. Set by the standards of the new Anti-rich government which will ensure they get a defense lawyer (although the defense lawyer might as well be accused of being pro-rich).

I hate the damn rich. They caused the welfare reforms denying basic rights to the sick, elderly, disabled and unemployed. They deserve to be treated badly.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:35 pm

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The whole idea that we need to breed at higher than replacement rates is part of the welfare state, that's what Ponzi schemes need.

No it isn't.

The idea that we need to breed more is a product of white nationalism and the far-right. Nobody on the left thinks that we aren't having enough kids.

Then how do you expect people to pay for pensions if the population goes down?

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26 Mar 2018, 1:37 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:

Wolfram87 wrote:

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OP isn't being evil at all. He just wants the rich to work as hard as the poor. Why is this such a bad idea?

I can't tell if your just trolling or you actually want this communist wet dream.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:43 pm

Daniel89 wrote:

thinkinginpictures wrote:

Wolfram87 wrote:

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OP isn't being evil at all. He just wants the rich to work as hard as the poor. Why is this such a bad idea?

I can't tell if your just trolling or you actually want this communist wet dream.

I want this "communist" dream to come true. I don't know if it is communism or whatever it is called, but I really do want a dictatorship of the disabled & unemployed.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:43 pm

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We should crack down on corporate "welfare" and imprison not only the company owners but the politicians as well as the common people who support them.

I disagree.

Most conservatives are yes-men who side with whoever is in power, have no opinions of their own, and know nothing about history. If anti-corruption legislation is passed, the conservatives will deny that they ever opposed it.

Source: American conservatives used to be pro-slavery. Now, they deny that they were ever pro-slavery and they blame liberals for slavery. Just ignore them.

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I dream of a society that is not a democracy, but a government run by the disabled, weak, unemployed etc. who have absolute power and deny basic human rights to those who denied them their basic rights = the rich and everyone who supported the reforms.

I actually think that a democracy would be better.

I understand your anger, but I don't think that the masses will want a society in which the disabled and the weak run everything. Sometimes you have to tone down your message for PR purposes. I do that all the time.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:45 pm

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Did you miss the part where recently OP wanted to make certain thoughts illegal so he could murder the people having them "legally"?

Thoughts are purely personal.

Capital is not merely a personal power. It is also a social power.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:46 pm

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I understand your anger, but I don't think that the masses will want a society in which the disabled and the weak run everything. Sometimes you have to tone down your message for PR purposes. I do that all the time.

I'm not talking to the masses, but those on disability & unemployment benefits.

I hate the masses as well, because the general population supported the welfare reforms too.

More than 80 % of the Danes supported the reforms.

I don't want democracy. I want a dictatorship of the disabled and unemployed.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:47 pm

just make it illegal for them to buy legislation. and tax them in ways they can't avoid or downshift to the rest of us.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:48 pm

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Thoughts are purely personal.

Not in OP's "glorious" 1984 future.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:49 pm

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just make it illegal for them to buy legislation. and tax them in ways they can't avoid or downshift to the rest of us.

I agree that they should be able to bribe the government. I also don't support the government being allowed to bribe the electorate with other peoples money.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:53 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:

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Thoughts are purely personal.

Not in OP's "glorious" 1984 future.

I guess you've never been in need of recieving welfare benefits...

Good for you. But don't think everyone can help themselves.

I want a dictatorship of the weak because democracy just screw everybody on welfare and give handouts to the middle class and upper classes.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:55 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:

Wolfram87 wrote:

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Thoughts are purely personal.

Not in OP's "glorious" 1984 future.

You do realise that a dictatorship of the weak is a misnomer if they are in charge they are no longer weak.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:59 pm

Daniel89 wrote:

thinkinginpictures wrote:

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Thoughts are purely personal.

Not in OP's "glorious" 1984 future.

You do realise that a dictatorship of the weak is a misnomer if they are in charge they are no longer weak.

Not for those in the government, but if they are working for improving the conditions of the weak, they are by definition a government of the weak.

So long as a government is democratic, it can be voted out of office. We've seen this already. The pro-welfareists are being thrown out of government because the people don't want to help the poor/disabled/weak, so the government must be a dictatorship and force it through.

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26 Mar 2018, 2:00 pm

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First off men do not need to be taught raping is wrong rapists know its wrong and do it anyway because they are evil.

I hope you don't get permabanned for "rape culture apologetics" ... but you probably will be.

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Your monthly internet bill could feed a starving person for a month in a poor country why don't you cancel you subscription and give them the money you save?

For the record, I mooch off my parents' internet. There, I said it.

In this world, you can work until you feel awful and you have a splitting headache ... and you still won't be able to afford a decent internet connection. That's late stage capitalism for you. With the internet, I'm learning stuff that poor people aren't supposed to know.

If I lived in a socialist country, I would have my own nice house in a safe neighborhood, given how hard I have worked in my life.

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When you take money from productive people and give it to unproductive people you get more unproductive people that is not good for society or the individual.

I agree. Let's stop taking wealth from workers and giving it to rich fatcats.

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The vast majority of people are against corruption however if you give people the option of socialism or a corrupt version of capitalism they will choose the corrupt version of capitalism because they know they will be better off.

Really? Compare poor Americans to poor Scandinavians. Who is better off?

Don't you dare tell me to compare America to the Soviet Union. If you can use the Soviet Union as an example of socialism, I can just as easily use Pinochet's Chile as an example of capitalism.

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26 Mar 2018, 2:05 pm

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Then how do you expect people to pay for pensions if the population goes down?

Some people in the world are multi-billionaires.

Do you know how much a billion is? A billion dollars is practically a bottomless sack of wealth. That's why we need to tax the bastards. That will pay for everything.

Another Thing: The West has a low birth rate, but the population is still growing because of immigration.

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