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Tempus Fugit
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07 Nov 2020, 12:41 pm

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While Biden may be a better person, surely a better person should have been chosen to run against Trump. "better than Trump" might be the best claim that can be made about Biden.


Haha yes. Being better than Trump isn't exactly a high standard. That said at least Trump has dropped the fewest bombs and deported the fewest people out of all presidents in my living memory.


You must be a Trump loving member of his MAGA cult to make such a statement :mrgreen:



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07 Nov 2020, 12:43 pm

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Now Biden will either die of old age in office or be impeached, and we'll eventually be rid of both of them :cheers: :bounce:

I think those are probably the fourth and distant fifth most likely scenarios respectively.

More likely ways that Biden goes out:

- Resigning
- Losing re-election
- Term limited

But that said - let’s not pretend this is a “both sides” thing. Biden is an ordinary, sensible, centre-left politician. Trump is a destructive, hateful demagogue who right now is attempting to undermine American democracy (and not in a good way!). We might not always agree with Joe Biden, but he’s fundamentally a good person, worth of respect. Donald Trump is not.


Or Biden may turn out to be a good president. Maybe. In the past I've only ever heard bad stuff about him (being "creepy Joe"). What I wanted the most was Trump to be gone cos I'm sick of him.



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07 Nov 2020, 12:45 pm

KT67 wrote:
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While Biden may be a better person, surely a better person should have been chosen to run against Trump. "better than Trump" might be the best claim that can be made about Biden.


I agree but they didn't at the primaries.

And hey we didn't manage to get rid of (this is mostly Americans answering so I'm gonna risk the slightly less rude but still rude lol) Johnson with Corbyn. So maybe Trump would've stood more of a shot if Biden was less of a centrist?


Being to polarised in politics appears to push people in the centre more towards the right from my observations. Not always the case but at least in the UK. Corbyn was extreme and lost catastrophically to put it lightly.



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07 Nov 2020, 12:48 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:
Nades wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
While Biden may be a better person, surely a better person should have been chosen to run against Trump. "better than Trump" might be the best claim that can be made about Biden.


Haha yes. Being better than Trump isn't exactly a high standard. That said at least Trump has dropped the fewest bombs and deported the fewest people out of all presidents in my living memory.


You must be a Trump loving member of his MAGA cult to make such a statement :mrgreen:


Well I'm not even in the US so I'm not a member for his possy but it's true that he has been the least trigger happy of all recent presidents as bad as his maskive bark was.



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07 Nov 2020, 12:50 pm

Nades wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
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Tempus Fugit wrote:
While Biden may be a better person, surely a better person should have been chosen to run against Trump. "better than Trump" might be the best claim that can be made about Biden.


Haha yes. Being better than Trump isn't exactly a high standard. That said at least Trump has dropped the fewest bombs and deported the fewest people out of all presidents in my living memory.


You must be a Trump loving member of his MAGA cult to make such a statement :mrgreen:


Well I'm not even in the US so I'm not a member for his possy but it's true that he has been the least trigger happy of all recent presidents as bad as his maskive bark was.


I'm sure he's been saving up for WWIII which he'll start at any moment.



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07 Nov 2020, 1:01 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:
Nades wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Nades wrote:
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While Biden may be a better person, surely a better person should have been chosen to run against Trump. "better than Trump" might be the best claim that can be made about Biden.


Haha yes. Being better than Trump isn't exactly a high standard. That said at least Trump has dropped the fewest bombs and deported the fewest people out of all presidents in my living memory.


You must be a Trump loving member of his MAGA cult to make such a statement :mrgreen:


Well I'm not even in the US so I'm not a member for his possy but it's true that he has been the least trigger happy of all recent presidents as bad as his maskive bark was.


I'm sure he's been saving up for WWIII which he'll start at any moment.


Baseless conjecture much? Bit of an extreme thing to say with nothing backing it up. When it actually comes to conflict Trump has always appeared to be more civil about it. While there are certainly a lot of bombings done him by the US to this day, I've heard virtually nothing about said bombs landing on the wrong targets.



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07 Nov 2020, 1:02 pm

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Now Biden will either die of old age in office or be impeached, and we'll eventually be rid of both of them :cheers: :bounce:

I think those are probably the fourth and distant fifth most likely scenarios respectively.

More likely ways that Biden goes out:

- Resigning
- Losing re-election
- Term limited

But that said - let’s not pretend this is a “both sides” thing. Biden is an ordinary, sensible, centre-left politician. Trump is a destructive, hateful demagogue who right now is attempting to undermine American democracy (and not in a good way!). We might not always agree with Joe Biden, but he’s fundamentally a good person, worth of respect. Donald Trump is not.


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07 Nov 2020, 1:12 pm

I was supporting Trump this whole campaign because of the opponent’s gaffes and racist (If you have trouble whether you’re for me or Trump, you ain’t black) comments, but now that he won, I can only wish him the best of luck. May he bring prosperity and unity to the US (but that’s only my hope, for his behavior points out towards a hard time when trying to initiate any sort of slightly complex linguistic activity or... really, any kinds of activity. But that’s okay, he can be replaced by Harris. He’s a poor old man, he needs his rest... Harris may do a decent job, but we’ll have to see. :( (That face was because I’m a bit disappointed Trump lost.)



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07 Nov 2020, 1:13 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Catlover5 wrote:
Now Biden will either die of old age in office or be impeached, and we'll eventually be rid of both of them :cheers: :bounce:

I think those are probably the fourth and distant fifth most likely scenarios respectively.

More likely ways that Biden goes out:

- Resigning
- Losing re-election
- Term limited

But that said - let’s not pretend this is a “both sides” thing. Biden is an ordinary, sensible, centre-left politician. Trump is a destructive, hateful demagogue who right now is attempting to undermine American democracy (and not in a good way!). We might not always agree with Joe Biden, but he’s fundamentally a good person, worth of respect. Donald Trump is not.


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07 Nov 2020, 1:26 pm

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While Biden may be a better person, surely a better person should have been chosen to run against Trump. "better than Trump" might be the best claim that can be made about Biden.


Haha yes. Being better than Trump isn't exactly a high standard. That said at least Trump has dropped the fewest bombs and deported the fewest people out of all presidents in my living memory.

While metrics vary, by whichever metric you use Trump has deported more people per year than George W. Bush. There are not good data for before Bush but it is likely that Trump oversaw more peacetime deportations than any of the Presidents before Bush too. By most metrics, Trump is deporting fewer people than Obama. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... der-trump/

Trump has massively increased foreign bombings:
1) https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/22/ob ... ngs-count/
2) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47480207
As (1) sets out, Trump has launched as many strikes on Somalia in four years than Bush and Obama combined in sixteen.
As (2) sets out, Trump launched more strikes against all countries in the first two years of his Presidency than Obama did in all eight. He then took active steps to stop reporting drone strikes. ("If you don't do tests, you don't have cases...")

Elsewhere, Trump bombed the Syrian government's chemical weapons facilities, which Obama did not. He also killed the Iranian General Soleimani, in a manoeuvre I do not think Obama would ever have attempted.

I do not state these things as a criticism of Trump - I make no effort to examine the causes of the strikes or deportations, for example, or whether they were right or wrong - but I do think your claims lacked a factual basis.



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07 Nov 2020, 1:27 pm

Yeah, war criminals are such "good" people. People who author crime bills that lead to the mass incaceration of citizens, largely people of color, are "good" people. Puppets for the fossil fuel industry and Wall Street are amazingly "good" people.

Yes, I expect Biden to do a wonderful job serving his corporate masters.


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07 Nov 2020, 1:36 pm

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Being to polarised in politics appears to push people in the centre more towards the right from my observations. Not always the case but at least in the UK. Corbyn was extreme and lost catastrophically to put it lightly.


Unfortunately, the older generation when it comes to simple media, tends to only have right wing tabloids in the UK.

Not everyone is prepared to engage with anything more than that, whether by ability or by inclination.

It's different with my generation and youngsters (millenial and gen Z) since we're more often into social media. So people get that level of simple political debate from the left.


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07 Nov 2020, 2:05 pm

*Entering the dangerous corner of WP at my own risk*

It's not Boris we want to get rid of, it's Tories in general (those that are labour supporters, that is).

And I'm so glad Trump isn't the president of the USA any more because I got sick of hearing about him everywhere and people whining about him.


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07 Nov 2020, 2:21 pm

Nades wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Nades wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Nades wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
While Biden may be a better person, surely a better person should have been chosen to run against Trump. "better than Trump" might be the best claim that can be made about Biden.


Haha yes. Being better than Trump isn't exactly a high standard. That said at least Trump has dropped the fewest bombs and deported the fewest people out of all presidents in my living memory.


You must be a Trump loving member of his MAGA cult to make such a statement :mrgreen:


Well I'm not even in the US so I'm not a member for his possy but it's true that he has been the least trigger happy of all recent presidents as bad as his maskive bark was.


I'm sure he's been saving up for WWIII which he'll start at any moment.


Baseless conjecture much? Bit of an extreme thing to say with nothing backing it up. When it actually comes to conflict Trump has always appeared to be more civil about it. While there are certainly a lot of bombings done him by the US to this day, I've heard virtually nothing about said bombs landing on the wrong targets.


Shucks Nades, I thought we had a playful banter thing going here. I was being facetious.



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07 Nov 2020, 2:23 pm

But...but...but...but...I thought Kanye was winning...



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07 Nov 2020, 2:26 pm

Biden is center-right on an international scale but he's not a right-wing extremist like Trump. If the Democrats had won the senate there would have at least been a public option for health care but since they didn't it is unlikely that anything will change in the short term for better or for worse. I'm mainly worried about the long term effects of inaction on climate change and the possibility of another fascist like Tucker Carlson coming to power in 2024.