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VegetableMan
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30 Jan 2021, 5:18 pm

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Gosh, it would be nice if we would kick McCarthy back in his grave once and for all.


Exactly the point Veg.

When are you going to [redacted] realize that this in not the 1950s anymore, and that the modern Russian Republic is not the old USSR, and that McCarthyism has nothing to do with it?.

Trump singlehandedly turned the more anti Russian of the parties (the GOP) into a pro Russian party during the 16 campaign, and then as POTUS Trump scapegoated and undermined America's alliances at the expense of America, and to the benifit of Russia. Why would Trump do all of that if he were not in some way allied to Moscow?

And its commonly known that Trump has million$ of possible reasons to be an asset of Russia because it was Russian money that bailed his casinos in the past.

I am not asking you to prove one way or the other whether Trump colluded with Russia. What I am asking is can you for once provide an alternate explanation for WHY Trump has always acted like puppet of Putin if he isnt a puppet of Putin?

You know full well that comparing Russiagate to McCarthyism is malarkey. McCarthy spun tales of hidden communists in the state department without evidence to spread hysteria.

With Trump- it would be a bit hysterical to deny that Trumps relationship to Moscow at least looks suspicious. So you cant just dismiss the suspicions without providing alternative explanations for Trump's pro Russian policies.


Fact: There was nothing but a little circumstantial evidence in the Mueller report. I read the f*****g thing. Did you? I seriously doubt it.


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31 Jan 2021, 7:07 am

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... look at what Trump did for Israel:

- Withdrew from the nuclear monitoring agreement with Iran
- Moved the US embassy to Jerusalem
- Recognized Israeli sovereignty over Syria’s Golan Heights
- Allowed paroled spy Jonathan Pollard to move to Israel
- Gave a full pardon to former Israeli solder Aviem Sella, who was previously indicted in the U.S. in relation to the Jonathan Pollard spying-for-Israel case

Does anything Trump did for Russia compare with any of this?


Yes - making Americans lose faith in their own government & system of government and election integrity etc. THAT was Putin's objective and he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. The goal wasn't to go to war with the USA, but to ruin them from the inside with disinformation and BS that makes people lose faith in America - to destabilize the largest Western Democracy superpower in the world. That's way more valuable to Russia than a few perks are to Israel.


So whereas I provided specific examples, all you have provided is vague and unfalsifiable. Your claims are similar to the ridiculous claims about Brexit in the UK - i.e.- if people were losing faith in their own establishment, it must somehow be Russia's fault, and nothing to do with the establishment's own misrule, no sir!

It's the sort of unfalsifiable claim can be made about anywhere in the world. (Eg, "the people of Argentina are losing faith in their establishment, this means the Argentine president is probably a puppet of the Brazilians!")

Trump won in 2016 because he appealed to people who had already been neglected by and lost faith in the establishment (as Michael Moore warned at the time). The fact that the establishment went crazy over this instead of asking themselves what they'd done wrong only made more people distrust them. If millions of US citizens now distrust their own establishment, I would say (i) what took them so long?, and (ii) the establishment is to blame. Blaming Trump is an inversion of reality.

By the way, I notice that the link you posted mentions Jeffrey Epstein, but doesn't mention that he was primarily working for Israel. What a convenient omission.