Peace? did the hippies have a point?

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I found those always a bit naive: Peace does not come from dancing, it is the product of interests. To archive peace the price for war and the risk must be out of proportion to benefits of keeping peace.

Why do think a big war in Europe is today unthinkable? Because Brown, Merkel and Sarkozy are more intelligent than Bismark, both Pitts or Napoleon? Hardy! Or better characters? Unlikely! Because the costs of a war in Europe would be for everyone involved so high that no gain through war would justify one. Because of this a system, with EU and NATO as cornerstones, has been established which would stop even thinking about the idea of making war within this system.

actually i think there is a case for dancing for peace is pretty solid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIC5T22-MDg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utBkbJIY ... r_embedded

and if you lived i Europe you would realise that a war like we experienced in the distant past right up to 1945 is unthinkable. The level of suffering inflicted by both sides has caused a huge backlash of anti war sentiment. It is America that has not really "moved on" after the dust settled. I think America has bombed other countries in peace time on over 100 different occasions or something crazy. We are all waiting for America to go POP!

This is less a sediment - there was a similar sediment in the decades after 1648 and 1813/15, but this did not stop wars for going on; they were just better "canalized" in their devastation. The difference today is the altered price of war, that a great European war can't be "canalized" and the possible consequences are just beyond any calculation. This was after previous great wars (1648 and 1813/15) not the case.

I have a 52kps dial-up connection to the internet, and a finite time to spend on this earth.

If you visit Germany you see a meeker more humble people, a people still as uber and talented as they always were but less carried away by a sense of their own amazingness. I wonder if the UK and US can say the same? Like it or not a lot of the world looks to us as the 'standard'. We have more power and clout than we know what to do with. It's hard to relinquish the lowest form of ego, patriotism (god queen and country) . The dada and surrealist art movements grew out of the trenches of ww1, although they were much broader then than just art. making nonsense a going concern, f**k the power brokers, give me surreality please not reality. Of course its all explained away as flawed genius, highly strung, artistic temprement now. We are encouraged to not emulate them concerning core issues but to market ourselves as them in style. A huge peace movement began during the first world war and all we focus on is the dead not the living). Maybe theres a bit of bootcamp training needed in all of us in uk, we are slackers and full of s**t till the situation demands we think logically and pull together.

They preach peace and love, yet they are more intolerant than any conservative people I have ever come across.

They think all Christians are like Westboro Baptist Church, or Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robertson.

Last edited by Tim_Tex on 26 Feb 2009, 1:28 am, edited 2 times in total.

Yes.

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