Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian (Evil Bible)

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who are they? who 'chased' them away and by what right or authority did you chase them away? PPR needs to understand that it is not appropriate to form gangs to 'chase' non conformists off the section.

All Orwell means is that a number of conservative Christians were attacked by PPR regulars to an extent that their position was somewhat rejected, and so they stopped posting as much about it.

There were no gangs, and there wasn't a conscious attempt to remove them from the forum. It is just that if an idea is very unpopular on a forum, it gets attacked until the upholders of the idea end up posting less about it. So, there is not necessary injustice in some of which that happened, but there were likely some jerks who were not nice and who probably did violate forum rules, but not an organized anti-God squad or anything.

The trinity in Christian beliefs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

what a load of self righteous BS, there's obviously a bully gang who chase non conformists off from PPR, you're one of them so it may seem 'natural' and 'right' to you, but it's not. As for the policing of 'popular' or 'unpopular' ideas in PPR... gah, that's just so bereft of.... what is this a teen popularity contest or something?

Ummm.... you'll have to explain what exactly you mean, and explain to me what "bully gang" there is, how this bullying works, and how it is unnatural and not right, and explain to me what would actually be natural and right.

Well, there isn't "policing", but popularity is hard to deny in social behavior. I mean, if you disagree with a person's ideas, you'll criticize these ideas. If a lot of people criticize an idea, then they will feel like there is a hostile audience. If this happens, then they are more likely to post less on these matters. This is all completely natural, and hard to avoid when dealing with people. So, I don't see how your criticism fits in, if you want to explain it, go ahead.

What I dislike about Christianity is its blatant anthropomorphism, NOTTOMENTION the fact that protestant fundamentalism has a strong populist bent and openly favors the Group over the Individual. Fundamentalists claim that when adam and eve sinned, the entire Universe was affected! Meaning that the information about that event traveled faster than the speed of light.Fundies consider anything that is alien to be "evil" and "satanic" because they believe God to be human-like in the literal sense.
Protestant fundamentalism stated in the 19th century as populist reaction to enlightenment rationalism. Thats the reason behind these bizarre conspiracy theories about the Illuminati, an alleged secret society of elitists seeking to spread enlightenment ideals.



As for "bully gangs" on PPR I really dont see any evidence of this. Aspies For Freedom had(and may STILL have) a really nasty, vicious pro-gay/anti-choice bully gang and in general its a much more conservative, conformist site.

well i already have, i called your (and orwell's and the rest of the PPR bully gang's) opinion 'self righteous BS' - do a google search if you need further clarification on what self righteous BS is.

oh it's quite similar, the PPR bully gang is is homosocial and it's a fine line between the homosocial and the homosexual.

Umm.... postperson, here's what I was asking you for:
*Explain to me how there is a bully gang(how it works, what it does, etc)
*Explain to me who the members of the bully gang(you've identified me and Orwell, but your comment is about a lot of people who act)
*Explain to me how this bully gang can be a bully gang, when nobody can force someone not to post
*Explain to me what is done that is unnatural and what is not right, and how a natural, right system would work.
*Explain to me where I am wrong on human nature on a forum, where people attack ideas they dislike, and thus discourage these ideas

Perhaps saddling you with 5 questions is unfair, but you haven't explained yourself. Here's what you've done:
You've just stated:
* there's obviously a bully gang who chase non conformists off from PPR
* it may seem 'natural' and 'right' to you, but it's not


Neither of which actually clarify things at all and are very big claims, so here's my response:
* explain what exactly you mean
* explain to me what "bully gang" there is
* how this bullying works
* how it is unnatural and not right
* explain to me what would actually be natural and right


and then I gave you my account for what was going on:
* popularity is hard to deny in social behavior
* if you disagree with a person's ideas, you'll criticize these ideas
* If a lot of people criticize an idea(it is unpopular), then they will feel like there is a hostile audience
* then they are more likely to post less on these matters
* This is all completely natural


I mean, you can say "this is obvious", but not all things are equally obvious to all people. Perhaps I am just being condescending in asking for this, but you are insulting on multiple occasions, and have not provided a clear platform for analysis. Now, perhaps I have inconsistencies, but it seems that analysis is an important step for understanding this, particularly if you want a solution. We can't just go off of one person's view of "obvious", or even multiple people's, but rather are better off with a systemized way of viewing things with some basic intuitions that can be analyzed, so that way all people understand the problem and can agree to a solution.

Orwell has admitted it, there's no need for me to explain anything, so save your verbosity for someone who cares for it.

In any case, I'm still waiting to have my questions answered by Orwell Who are they (the alleged fundamentalists), by what authority do you presume you have the right to 'chase' people off PPR?

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So? If you grant that there is an all-powerful, all-knowing God that is simultaneously present at every location, who made the laws of physics in the first place, how is that a contradiction? And if you don't grant that, don't you have a more fundamental disagreement with fundamentalists?


No, they do not. Especially the "literally human-like God" thing.

Please don't use the word "fundie". It's only ever used to insult or demean, kind of like "homo" or "ret*d".

I think you misunderstood Orwell's post labelling this thread an "epic fail".

If there were an anti-Christian "gang", neither Orwell nor Awsomelyglorious would be on it.

No he didn't, here's what he said:



And here's my interpretation of it:



Nothing in what he said entails this conclusion:



As Orwell said nothing about forming gangs, or even that this was a coordinated effort. He said



This fully fits into my view of human behavior:





Because of that, my expectation that you is that you explain where the injustice fit in. Is my view of how things work or should work wrong? Are my facts wrong? Perhaps one might criticize me on those grounds, but unless you make a fact or logic-based argument, then between 2 interpretations of Orwell and history, mine invokes less entities and is less ad hoc(no gangs, just rational, spontaneous action), and is kinder to most posters(nobody is called a bully), and I would argue that it is closer to Orwell's intention as I am not aware of Orwell being a fan of trying to exclude people from dialogue and I certainly do not think I was deeply involved in trying to push Christians away from WP given that I usually do not take particularly aggressive opinions either way for or against theistic views, and even have clearly shown an intellectual interest in the Christian faith and have knowledge on it, as seen in a number of my posts. (Yes, I am remembering that you accused me of being a member of a bully gang)

I apologize if I came across as a jerk to you or anything like this in any communication, but I really do want some impression of what you are talking about. It is possible I did not see the threads that you saw that gave you this impression, or the posters you saw who you think were acting in a bully-ish manner, although I will admit to thinking that the impression is possible. I will also admit that this forum is more aggressive than other forums on WP, but I do not think that this is an intentional manner of hatred from most people. It must be recognized that conservative Christianity is a position of a small group of people but perceived to be a very aggressive and intellectually problematic position, so it will come into aggressive contact with many people, and find few supporters, and might be driven away somewhat due to a lack of support(this isn't to say that all conservative Christians are aggressive or that all of them are intellectually stunted, for I know some relatively conservative Christians and I've been listening to a number of debates between conservative Christians and atheists and so I know that conservative Christianity does not necessarily entail stupidity). I also will not say that all individuals on WP will necessarily act perfectly, as I am willing to mention that "there were likely some jerks who were not nice and who probably did violate forum rules", but that is not the position that you seem to support with the view "a bully gang" where I'm "one of them", for one is reflective of forum problems and the second is reflective of more deeply seated issues in continual rule violations that needs to be addressed on a more fundamental level.

I haven't actually, I do actually have considered that God could be a human construct and limited to 'human imperfections' or the claim of knowing his nature.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw1iYaXR60k[/youtube]

My response to all you numbskulls bickering over something that cannot possibly be answered...watch this vid, and maybe you might learn something.

I think you misunderstand me, I didn't refer to any anti-christian 'gang'. Orwell is nominally some type of christian, so naturally I wouldn't use that kind of term. Clearly there are christians in the bully gang in PPR.