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zer0netgain
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05 Jan 2014, 9:05 am

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Please apply similar scrutiny to the previous 43 presidents of the United States of America.

I'll apply it to myself.

When I wanted to work in law enforcement, most agencies wanted a certified copy of my birth certificate. Sometimes I could bring it in if it had the anti-tamper stuff on the document (not a photocopy), or I had to request one from where I was born or authorize them to obtain a copy.

If I had to do that to be considered for a job as a police officer, I think EVERY person going for a high-ranking government job that mandates American citizenship or "natural born" status must do the same.

If it was good enough to mandate that I do it as a private person, someone going for a high-profile PUBLIC job should have to do the same.

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05 Jan 2014, 9:08 am

I think the powers that be can figure out how to get a legitimate copy of Obama's birth certificate. You guys are really embarrassing yourselves with this.

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05 Jan 2014, 9:21 am

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The T-word doesn't really mean anything if everything is for T-wording purposes.

Obviously, John Browning was T-wording when he started the discussion. And, you are T-wording now by throwing the T-word around.

Re-read the post that resurrected this discussion, and report back.

Already did, you necroed it to pile onto Ted Cruz and rile people up, i.e. to troll people. You act as if troll is an insult I toss about indiscriminately, when in fact you're the only person here who I'll straight out say is a troll to whoever cares to listen, as it's so self evidently true that no one is going to seriously dispute me on it, least of all a moderator. If you don't like being called a troll, stop acting like one, which in your case would eliminate 80-90% of your posts.

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05 Jan 2014, 9:26 am

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YOU are the one who is T-wording!! :shameonyou:

All that you ever do is enter discussions to throw the T-word around. If a discussion doesn't interest you, then just stay out. Entering a discussion just to throw the T-word around is the most vile form of T-wording. If you really have nothing more to contribute to the discussion, then just don't participate. The solution is very simple.

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05 Jan 2014, 10:32 am

This whole thread basically started with

and then went on for pages and pages, with no thoughts that were intellectually deeper than this.

Just say one word about Ted Cruz, and it's "Oh, no! You can't say anything about him! That means that you are a T-WORD!! ! It is perfectly legitimate for him to become president. You're just a T-Word!"

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05 Jan 2014, 11:07 am

Why do these racists keep it up. Obama is not even a genuine Negro. He is a brownish orange colored man of mixed parentage. What the Germans called a Mischling.

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05 Jan 2014, 11:15 am

Yeah, but our "conservatives" still like to invoke the One Drop Rule.

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05 Jan 2014, 11:15 am

zer0netgain wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

Please apply similar scrutiny to the previous 43 presidents of the United States of America.

I'll apply it to myself.

When I wanted to work in law enforcement, most agencies wanted a certified copy of my birth certificate. Sometimes I could bring it in if it had the anti-tamper stuff on the document (not a photocopy), or I had to request one from where I was born or authorize them to obtain a copy.

If I had to do that to be considered for a job as a police officer, I think EVERY person going for a high-ranking government job that mandates American citizenship or "natural born" status must do the same.

If it was good enough to mandate that I do it as a private person, someone going for a high-profile PUBLIC job should have to do the same.

Which is exactly what Obama did.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... g-form.pdf

So why are you claiming this?:

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I have no doubt it is fake. To explain why would take a lot of time and space, and those who don't believe will find reason to dismiss it.

Anyway, I find it somewhat amusing that people are still questioning the citizenship of Barack Obama. Last time I checked, he is the *ONLY* US president who has actually provided valid proof of being born in the US.

(No, Eisenhower doesn't count. His birth certificate wasn't filed until 1952, 13 days before his 62nd birthday.)

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05 Jan 2014, 11:30 am

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Even if everything you say is true, that's not the point of the thread.

What is the point of this ancient thread then? As far as I can tell, it was only resurrected for trolling purposes.

(Sigh) The point of this ridiculous argument is if the President is legally the President. The whole thread was started as an insult to the commander-in-chief, in support of gullible dullards whose wet dream is about seeing Obama booted from the White House into a ghetto.

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05 Jan 2014, 12:13 pm

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Even more amusing is the fact that anyone who dares mention anything about Mr. Cruz's birthplace and citizenships is labeled a "T-word."

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05 Jan 2014, 12:16 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Even if everything you say is true, that's not the point of the thread.

What is the point of this ancient thread then? As far as I can tell, it was only resurrected for trolling purposes.

Sigh....and if the "Commander in Chief" were a republican under attack you'd be equally appalled?? :roll:

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05 Jan 2014, 12:33 pm

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GGPViper wrote:

Even more amusing is the fact that anyone who dares mention anything about Mr. Cruz's birthplace and citizenships is labeled a "T-word."

Sigh...... :roll:

Cruz was born in Calgary in 1970 when his parents lived there temporarily as oil workers. He has lived in the United States since 1974. It wouldn't matter because a senator DOES NOT have to be American born, only a citizen. The president DOES have to be American born. It's actually in the constitution. There would be nothing to make a "birther" case against Cruz.

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05 Jan 2014, 12:54 pm

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ArrantPariah wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

Even more amusing is the fact that anyone who dares mention anything about Mr. Cruz's birthplace and citizenships is labeled a "T-word."

Sigh...... :roll:

Except that, his name is coming up as a potential candidate for the Repugnican presidential nomination.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... n/2064395/

And, after all of the birther nonsense against President Obama, the Repugnicans are arguing that Ted Cruz can be president.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05 ... ntial-run/

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..."the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion appears to support the notion that 'natural born citizen' means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship 'at birth' or 'by birth,' including … those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements."...

The birthers never once said "well, his mother was an American, so even if he was born in Kenya, that's good enough." They've been ranting and raving indecently for years.

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05 Jan 2014, 1:24 pm

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I think the powers that be can figure out how to get a legitimate copy of Obama's birth certificate. You guys are really embarrassing yourselves with this.

Um, the law is clear. NOBODY can just go in and get your birth certificate. It requires a COURT ORDER or your WRITTEN CONSENT.

Obama never granted consent. No court has issued an order mandating production of a certified copy.

This leaves bribing someone to illegally release a copy to the public...and that's not easy to pull off.

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05 Jan 2014, 1:28 pm

GGPViper wrote:

Which is exactly what Obama did.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... g-form.pdf

Um, no.

That has been debunked as a forgery on so many grounds, and I won't rehash it here.

That it was released by the White House and not an impartial 3rd party (e.g., having Hawaii release it to the NYT, for example) means it could have been tampered with, and evidence of tampering was found.

As I said, the White House stunt pushed the burden of proof to get a court order so far back that it's near impossible now to get the courts involved in the debate. Up to that point, the courts might have taken an interest because Obama would not let people have access to the records. He still won't let people access the records....he insists they trust a document that came out of his hands that has evidence of tampering.

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05 Jan 2014, 1:36 pm

zer0netgain wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

Which is exactly what Obama did.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... g-form.pdf

Um, no.

That has been debunked as a forgery on so many grounds, and I won't rehash it here.

Awww, *please* show us the evidence of your claim. Pretty please? With sugar on top? We just *love* conspiracy theories on WrongPlanet.

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