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11 Dec 2013, 2:21 pm

lotuspuppy wrote:
This is nothing new. Outside of a few outposts like Chicago, Minneapolis and Madison, the Midwest is just not the economic growth engine it once was. People are leaving, and those that stay behind are ever older.

Of course, it's not just the Midwest. This is happening in the South as well, outside of Atlanta, Charlotte and the other extremely successful cities. Even in the Northeast, my home county in western New York has had no population growth for decades. This is far better than all of the surrounding counties, which bleed people. Most go to North Carolina or Florida, it seems.


Seems like you're describing big city based urbanization.

Btw, Winnipeg is freezing right now.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ ... -1.2454388


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11 Dec 2013, 8:42 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
lotuspuppy wrote:
This is nothing new. Outside of a few outposts like Chicago, Minneapolis and Madison, the Midwest is just not the economic growth engine it once was. People are leaving, and those that stay behind are ever older.

Of course, it's not just the Midwest. This is happening in the South as well, outside of Atlanta, Charlotte and the other extremely successful cities. Even in the Northeast, my home county in western New York has had no population growth for decades. This is far better than all of the surrounding counties, which bleed people. Most go to North Carolina or Florida, it seems.


Seems like you're describing big city based urbanization.

Btw, Winnipeg is freezing right now.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ ... -1.2454388

1.) Urbanization is definitely a concurrent trend, and Chicago and others benefit from it. Many cities in the Midwest are hard suffering, though. We all know about Detroit, and it is simply the largest city in its situation. Cleveland and Buffalo have higher poverty rates and abandoned lot rates, and are far from the major cities they used to be. Then there's Dayton, Toledo, Akron, Rochester, Flint, Hammondsport, and the many other cities that are devastated.
2.) I wish I could sympathize with you on the weather. I'm sure you are a nice person. But since I moved to Atlanta, I have trouble relating to those in the cold :D



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16 Dec 2013, 10:14 pm

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But since I moved to Atlanta, I have trouble relating to those in the cold :D


Thoroughly enjoying your former NHL team.


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17 Dec 2013, 12:07 am

Wow... way to revive a necro thread MP.


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17 Dec 2013, 12:15 am

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I hate the idea of Nazis in America. It absolutely boggles my mind why the first black president didn't smash their little parties.


Americans cherish their free assembly and free speech rights, so the image you show of Nazi people marching in the street brings good feelings to some Americans that their rights still exist.

You speak of "smashing" people who did no violence, and only speak their beliefs? That would make you the evil one in the eyes of Americans.

You appear to imply that he will retaliate against hate organizations that are not of his race. Should black racist groups be smashed because he is half white, and hispanic racist groups be smashed because he is 100% non-Hispanic ?



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19 Dec 2013, 12:45 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
appletheclown wrote:

I hate the idea of Nazis in America. It absolutely boggles my mind why the first black president didn't smash their little parties.


Americans cherish their free assembly and free speech rights, so the image you show of Nazi people marching in the street brings good feelings to some Americans that their rights still exist.

You speak of "smashing" people who did no violence, and only speak their beliefs? That would make you the evil one in the eyes of Americans.

You appear to imply that he will retaliate against hate organizations that are not of his race. Should black racist groups be smashed because he is half white, and hispanic racist groups be smashed because he is 100% non-Hispanic ?


And yet appletheclown is only exercising his freedom of speech, too. Seems fair to me.


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19 Dec 2013, 4:26 pm

The thing that moved me to California from Chicago 30 years ago was hips. If you've lived around snowy slippery areas you probably already know what happens to older hips (and their owners) when winter sets in.

A winter before we moved my wife slipped on our back patio while taking the dog out and suffered a slight concussion and bruising. Just after this incident my employer's mother died in the hospital during recovery from a broken hip. (etc.)

So rather than wait for the inevitable we immediately began investigating and visiting different warmer areas of the country, and here we are. :D