It seems being pro-life is correlated with being petty

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20 Dec 2011, 9:52 pm

A pro-lifer will never give up his money to provide welfare for pregnant women.



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20 Dec 2011, 10:07 pm

I only support abortion if both chicks are hot.



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21 Dec 2011, 1:31 am

Oodain wrote:
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This topic is completely pointless. Neither side can acknowledge that the other has perfectly rational points. Why does it keep coming up?

... people are fond of controlling what others do. Nobody can seem to accept that morality is subjective.


yup,
in that that is pretty much the free choice stance,


Choice is a powerful thing. Nobody should willingly give it away. Especially when it's not theirs to begin with.


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21 Dec 2011, 1:32 am

AceOfSpades wrote:
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This topic is completely pointless. Neither side can acknowledge that the other has perfectly rational points. Why does it keep coming up?
I guess people are just looking for some cheap excuse to sling sh** at each other and feel morally superior (which is part of the reason I'm not as active here as I used to be). One pattern I constantly see is one side projecting their underlying assumptions on the other side to make the other side look hypocritical ("You think a convicted murderer should have the right to live and yet an innocent baby shouldn't!" or "You believe in the death penalty huh? So much for being pro-life!"). The ridiculous thing is that even when the other side proves that their projections are inaccurate, the same old people keep the same old sh** coming as if their projections have never been challenged.


In many ways, this is quite accurate.


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21 Dec 2011, 1:35 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
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This topic is completely pointless. Neither side can acknowledge that the other has perfectly rational points. Why does it keep coming up?
I guess people are just looking for some cheap excuse to sling sh** at each other and feel morally superior

What's important here is that you two guys managed to find a way to feel superior to both sides.


Superior? Hardly. It's always interesting when someone thinks they know how I feel.

Irritating, really.


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21 Dec 2011, 1:37 am

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This topic is completely pointless. Neither side can acknowledge that the other has perfectly rational points. Why does it keep coming up?

I am sorry, this topic is not about whether abortion should be legal or not as that debate has already been finished by far with severe humiliation and inability by so-called pro-life to show any reasonable argument . This topic is merely to rant about the idiotic website in the original post.


You insult everyone's intelligence when you imply that the pro-life people (or rather misogynistic anti-choice pricks) have "perfectly rational points". They worship the god of irrationality, and that has been demonstrated over and over again.

If you consider morality to be relative, then you would have no problem with the choice of abortion being legal so that every woman on earth can decide for herself. Because that's what the pro-life instance argues against, against the idea of women making their own moral decisions. The pro-life argument is by nature irrational. It is an invitation for governments to put further barriers and mandates in our lives just because their misogynistic brains can't cope with the fact that women may actually be deciding for themselves whether to be pregnant or not.


You've just proved my point. Thank you. :lol:


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21 Dec 2011, 1:49 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
This topic is completely pointless. Neither side can acknowledge that the other has perfectly rational points. Why does it keep coming up?
I guess people are just looking for some cheap excuse to sling sh** at each other and feel morally superior

What's important here is that you two guys managed to find a way to feel superior to both sides.


Superior? Hardly. It's always interesting when someone thinks they know how I feel.

Irritating, really.

He's quoting XKCD.



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21 Dec 2011, 1:50 am

Guys, this thread is for the most part rational enough that it has restored some portion of my faith in humanity. Thank you all. :)



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21 Dec 2011, 1:51 am

LKL wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
This topic is completely pointless. Neither side can acknowledge that the other has perfectly rational points. Why does it keep coming up?
I guess people are just looking for some cheap excuse to sling sh** at each other and feel morally superior

What's important here is that you two guys managed to find a way to feel superior to both sides.


Superior? Hardly. It's always interesting when someone thinks they know how I feel.

Irritating, really.

He's quoting XKCD.


I know.


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21 Dec 2011, 3:27 am

Is that really giving a woman a choice when a social worker tells her that they are going to cut off her welfare if she has any more kids?



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21 Dec 2011, 7:45 am

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Is that really giving a woman a choice when a social worker tells her that they are going to cut off her welfare if she has any more kids?

If having more kids impedes her ability to find work then she can choose to live on the street with all her children or she can choose to stop birthing more and raise the ones she has in a more comfortable setting. The right to choose comes with accountability for the repercusions of that decision.


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21 Dec 2011, 10:19 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
This topic is completely pointless. Neither side can acknowledge that the other has perfectly rational points. Why does it keep coming up?
I guess people are just looking for some cheap excuse to sling sh** at each other and feel morally superior

What's important here is that you two guys managed to find a way to feel superior to both sides.
Spoken like someone who is heavily invested in vitriol.

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I am sorry, this topic is not about whether abortion should be legal or not as that debate has already been finished by far with severe humiliation and inability by so-called pro-life to show any reasonable argument . This topic is merely to rant about the idiotic website in the original post.


You insult everyone's intelligence when you imply that the pro-life people (or rather misogynistic anti-choice pricks) have "perfectly rational points". They worship the god of irrationality, and that has been demonstrated over and over again.

If you consider morality to be relative, then you would have no problem with the choice of abortion being legal so that every woman on earth can decide for herself. Because that's what the pro-life instance argues against, against the idea of women making their own moral decisions. The pro-life argument is by nature irrational. It is an invitation for governments to put further barriers and mandates in our lives just because their misogynistic brains can't cope with the fact that women may actually be deciding for themselves whether to be pregnant or not.
Good job, you've just proven both of our points and insulted your own intelligence.



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21 Dec 2011, 12:47 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Is that really giving a woman a choice when a social worker tells her that they are going to cut off her welfare if she has any more kids?


is this really something that happens in the us of a?


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22 Dec 2011, 4:34 am

peebo wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Is that really giving a woman a choice when a social worker tells her that they are going to cut off her welfare if she has any more kids?


is this really something that happens in the us of a?

I've heard of women deliberately having more kids in order to get a bigger welfare check (usually a claim made by right-wingers), but I don't know if that actually happens. I've never heard of someone's welfare getting cut off for having a kid.

Not a very helpful answer, sorry.



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22 Dec 2011, 6:37 am

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Good job, you've just proven both of our points and insulted your own intelligence.

I am not letting you stay in your high horse when you were the one that actually brought insults to the thread in order to gloat about how superior you are for not getting involved in the discussion. For once it is such hypocrisy, you come so heavily invested in vitriol that puke your observations in a thread that was not originally intended to be a discussion about the legality of abortion and brag about how you are not invested in the discussion, really?

It is very telling actually. We were all having a discussion about a very lame site and its definitions of abortion. cw10 would try to derail it into an abortion discussion but he was civil at that (although the arguments were silly). In fact, the thread was quite peaceful until you had the need to accuse everyone of slinging s**t at each other. Really? And you come to tell me that you are the civil one? Hah. Perhaps the moral of the story is that it is good to release that negativity in good paragraphs insisting on terminology rather than keeping resentment for ages and then let it explode in a burst of insults in a random thread and trying to look civil in the process like you are doing. Either way, I hope that you gain some self-awareness from this whole anecdote.



On the other hand, you would like to pretend that this discussion is not important, well, it is. We are talking about the most basic freedom, freedom to do with your body what you feel is convenient. And idiots feel they can get government to mandate that freedom. No, I won't ever feel ashamed for taking this topic strongly, I would be ashamed if I bragged about how little I cared about this. And I would be ashamed if you could get away with saying that the other side has "perfectly rational points" without any opposition, not as long as I am able to post.

Since your points are utter BS, no, no one has proven them.

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Superior? Hardly. It's always interesting when someone thinks they know how I feel.

Irritating, really.

Haha, you can pretend otherwise but it is very transparent when you go through the problem of crashing some thread to mention how you are not getting involved in the discussion.


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27 Dec 2011, 2:35 pm

The same arguments for abortion can be made to justify infanticide.