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27 Jun 2012, 4:25 am

Joker wrote:
Well the Jews did elect Hitler into power.



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No they didn't. Learn your history, Joker.



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27 Jun 2012, 9:51 am

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So actually, the muslim world does have the ability to persecute and eradicate all non-muslims in their countries and do so with a zeal and passion.


But that's not what we're talking about. We are talking about whether Hamas has the ability to wipe out Jews in other countries, specifically Israel. Obviously they do not.

Personally, I don't think they would press a button marked "Kill Every Jew in the World". They know that some of the most passionate defenders of the Palestinian cause are Jews. Would they press a button marked "Kill Every Jew in Israel"? Again, I don't think so. They know that orthodox movements within Israel are fighting for the Palestinians. Would they press a button marked "Kill Every Jew Who Is Setting Up Illegal Settlements"? Probably.

You need to understand that when you are powerless, all you have is talk. So you tend to talk big.

No of course they wouldn't. For many regimes ''the enemy'' is part of their dictatorial justification.



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27 Jun 2012, 9:53 am

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I get along with Jews just fine, I don't get why so many hate them and eveyone is hating zionists even jew are having a protest against them.

Because of religion and the superstition that comes with it.

I don't think there's much wrong with Zionism anyway- but that's a different issue.



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27 Jun 2012, 10:35 am

Declension wrote:
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So actually, the muslim world does have the ability to persecute and eradicate all non-muslims in their countries and do so with a zeal and passion.


But that's not what we're talking about. We are talking about whether Hamas has the ability to wipe out Jews in other countries, specifically Israel. Obviously they do not.

Personally, I don't think they would press a button marked "Kill Every Jew in the World". They know that some of the most passionate defenders of the Palestinian cause are Jews. Would they press a button marked "Kill Every Jew in Israel"? Again, I don't think so. They know that orthodox movements within Israel are fighting for the Palestinians. Would they press a button marked "Kill Every Jew Who Is Setting Up Illegal Settlements"? Probably.

You need to understand that when you are powerless, all you have is talk. So you tend to talk big.


So conducting mass suicide bombings against civilians is defined as talking big?
Firing thousands of mortar rounds and rockets every year into civilian populations is talking big?
Blowing up civilian infrastructure is talking big?
Abducting and murdering civilians is talking big?
Repeatedly and publicly stating that you intend to kill all jews or die trying is talking big?



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27 Jun 2012, 2:10 pm

AspieRogue wrote:
Joker wrote:
Well the Jews did elect Hitler into power.



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No they didn't. Learn your history, Joker.


Yes they did a lot of German Jews voted for Hitler butter cup says so in the rise and fall of the third reich book that I have bought.



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27 Jun 2012, 2:12 pm

Stern Gang also wanted an alliance with the Nazis, to cooperate in fighting the British in Palestine, but they were rejected. And the Nazis were the first to endorse a Jewish state there, and the first to fund immigration programs there (under the Haavara Agreement, over a decade ahead of anyone else). They didn't like the Jews but they did like the idea of them all going somewhere else and being concentrated in one spot.



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27 Jun 2012, 2:17 pm

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Stern Gang also wanted an alliance with the Nazis, to cooperate in fighting the British in Palestine, but they were rejected. And the Nazis were the first to endorse a Jewish state there, and the first to fund immigration programs there (under the Haavara Agreement, over a decade ahead of anyone else). They didn't like the Jews but they did like the idea of them all going somewhere else and being concentrated in one spot.


Yes that is very true Nazis also used Jews to win Germany Gold metals in the olympics.



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28 Jun 2012, 3:09 pm

DC wrote:
So conducting mass suicide bombings against civilians is defined as talking big?
Firing thousands of mortar rounds and rockets every year into civilian populations is talking big?
Blowing up civilian infrastructure is talking big?
Abducting and murdering civilians is talking big?
Repeatedly and publicly stating that you intend to kill all jews or die trying is talking big?


It's the physical equivalent of "talking big", yes. That's basically what terrorism is. It's what you do when you are powerless but angry.



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28 Jun 2012, 3:12 pm

Declension wrote:
DC wrote:
So conducting mass suicide bombings against civilians is defined as talking big?
Firing thousands of mortar rounds and rockets every year into civilian populations is talking big?
Blowing up civilian infrastructure is talking big?
Abducting and murdering civilians is talking big?
Repeatedly and publicly stating that you intend to kill all jews or die trying is talking big?


It's the physical equivalent of "talking big", yes. That's basically what terrorism is. It's what you do when you are powerless but angry.


Blowing up property and human flesh is not being powerless. It is being hostile. But there is a sure fire cure for it. Nothing that a few nukes and poison gas couldn't handle. And god damn the collateral damage.

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28 Jun 2012, 3:55 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Declension wrote:
DC wrote:
So conducting mass suicide bombings against civilians is defined as talking big?
Firing thousands of mortar rounds and rockets every year into civilian populations is talking big?
Blowing up civilian infrastructure is talking big?
Abducting and murdering civilians is talking big?
Repeatedly and publicly stating that you intend to kill all jews or die trying is talking big?


It's the physical equivalent of "talking big", yes. That's basically what terrorism is. It's what you do when you are powerless but angry.


Blowing up property and human flesh is not being powerless. It is being hostile. But there is a sure fire cure for it. Nothing that a few nukes and poison gas couldn't handle. And god damn the collateral damage.

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In the big scale of things, then yeah, they are not destroying America anytime soon.

And probably suffering fear and taking them seriously is the best way to ensure they win.

Deaths are awful, the solution for terrorists attacks is simply to improve intelligence services and improve your image with other countries. Other approaches are likely to create more terrorists and they don't really serve for all threats in general. Excessive focus on Muslms will make you vulnerable to terrorists not affiliated with Islam.


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28 Jun 2012, 4:22 pm

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Blowing up property and human flesh is not being powerless. It is being hostile. But there is a sure fire cure for it. Nothing that a few nukes and poison gas couldn't handle. And god damn the collateral damage.

ruveyn


Genocidal attacks bringing death to millions of innocents are not an appropriate or measured response. Bad enough (although perhaps necessary) to descend to their level, but to stoop well below it is ethically vile. Moreoever it will radicalize the entire remainder, and there are a billion of them. They would have the moral right to respond in kind if they could do so, too.



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28 Jun 2012, 4:54 pm

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The anti semitism in Western Europe is coming from islamists, who are pissing just about everyone off. The fascists in Western Europe love the jews and hate muslims justified by the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' line of reasoning.


Exactly. Very few non-muslims here are opposed to the Jews, but almost all muslims I've encountered so far were opposed to their religion, and several were against their right to live. I know several Jewish people, and I consider them good people, and occasionally even friends. However, I've heard several muslims saying all Jews should be destroyed. That's their line of thinking while we fund their religious and cultural indoctrination. And before someone tries to dismiss this entire post based on that, there are, in fact, plenty of state-funded islamic schools here. Worst results in the country, homophobia galore, and plenty of funding.

One Moroccan said, quote, "if I saw one right now, I'd stab him to death" when asked what he thought about Jews. Some were driven out of their homes here, in a country supposedly tolerant, by muslims. To be honest, I used to support multiculturalism, but I'm in favour of encouraged monoculturalism similar to South Korea or Japan, and a strong state to enforce it now. I've had enough of muslims damaging my property, calling my mother a whore for not wearing a headscarf, threatening people, beating people up, supporting corrective rape and honour killings. I'm against Islam itself if Islam manifests itself in this way.

Demographic warfare is an exaggeration, but there are certainly too many muslims here, and Europe's muslim population is rising rapidly. It's time to put a stop to that as long as mainstream parts of Islam still believe most rape is justified against 'whores', and muslims are the most violent demographic almost anywhere in Europe. People like Breivik are a nuisance to us. Breivik's way of opposing multiculturalism was to kill over seventy mainly-Norwegian and mainly atheist of christian people. He's an idiot, but that doesn't give a lot of muslim immigrants a carte blanche to call for execution of right-wing politicians or extermination of the Jews as they've been doing before and after Breivik's killing spree.

Edit: another trivial fact. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, known as a hoax throughout the world even during World War II, is a document still endorsed by government officials in Saudi Arabia, by the 'Grand Mufti of Jerusalem', and by Hamas. If there was a popularity map for it, the Middle East would show deep red and the rest of the world would hardly be visible at all.

Edit 2: Iran has attempted to assert sovereignty over us. The Revolutionary Guard's special police has arrested a man's father because that man, living in the Netherlands, had posted funny and sarcastic remarks about a certain religion we all know too well. He's even afraid they'll send people after him on our territory, because it's easy for them to just send someone pretending to be an asylum seeker.



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28 Jun 2012, 6:37 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Declension wrote:
DC wrote:
So conducting mass suicide bombings against civilians is defined as talking big?
Firing thousands of mortar rounds and rockets every year into civilian populations is talking big?
Blowing up civilian infrastructure is talking big?
Abducting and murdering civilians is talking big?
Repeatedly and publicly stating that you intend to kill all jews or die trying is talking big?


It's the physical equivalent of "talking big", yes. That's basically what terrorism is. It's what you do when you are powerless but angry.


Blowing up property and human flesh is not being powerless. It is being hostile. But there is a sure fire cure for it. Nothing that a few nukes and poison gas couldn't handle. And god damn the collateral damage.

ruveyn


I don't recall Martin Luther King, or even the radical minded Malcolm X, murdering anyone for the sake of black civil rights. It was in fact passive resistance that had allowed the American civil rights movement to achieve far more change than terrorists ever have with violence and murder.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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28 Jun 2012, 7:42 pm

HisDivineMajesty wrote:
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The anti semitism in Western Europe is coming from islamists, who are pissing just about everyone off. The fascists in Western Europe love the jews and hate muslims justified by the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' line of reasoning.


Exactly. Very few non-muslims here are opposed to the Jews, but almost all muslims I've encountered so far were opposed to their religion, and several were against their right to live. I know several Jewish people, and I consider them good people, and occasionally even friends. However, I've heard several muslims saying all Jews should be destroyed. That's their line of thinking while we fund their religious and cultural indoctrination. And before someone tries to dismiss this entire post based on that, there are, in fact, plenty of state-funded islamic schools here. Worst results in the country, homophobia galore, and plenty of funding.

One Moroccan said, quote, "if I saw one right now, I'd stab him to death" when asked what he thought about Jews. Some were driven out of their homes here, in a country supposedly tolerant, by muslims. To be honest, I used to support multiculturalism, but I'm in favour of encouraged monoculturalism similar to South Korea or Japan, and a strong state to enforce it now. I've had enough of muslims damaging my property, calling my mother a whore for not wearing a headscarf, threatening people, beating people up, supporting corrective rape and honour killings. I'm against Islam itself if Islam manifests itself in this way.

Demographic warfare is an exaggeration, but there are certainly too many muslims here, and Europe's muslim population is rising rapidly. It's time to put a stop to that as long as mainstream parts of Islam still believe most rape is justified against 'whores', and muslims are the most violent demographic almost anywhere in Europe. People like Breivik are a nuisance to us. Breivik's way of opposing multiculturalism was to kill over seventy mainly-Norwegian and mainly atheist of christian people. He's an idiot, but that doesn't give a lot of muslim immigrants a carte blanche to call for execution of right-wing politicians or extermination of the Jews as they've been doing before and after Breivik's killing spree.

Edit: another trivial fact. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, known as a hoax throughout the world even during World War II, is a document still endorsed by government officials in Saudi Arabia, by the 'Grand Mufti of Jerusalem', and by Hamas. If there was a popularity map for it, the Middle East would show deep red and the rest of the world would hardly be visible at all.

Edit 2: Iran has attempted to assert sovereignty over us. The Revolutionary Guard's special police has arrested a man's father because that man, living in the Netherlands, had posted funny and sarcastic remarks about a certain religion we all know too well. He's even afraid they'll send people after him on our territory, because it's easy for them to just send someone pretending to be an asylum seeker.


Are there any Moslems who are good people?



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28 Jun 2012, 8:34 pm

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Are there any Moslems who are good people?


Hundreds of millions. Unfortunately most of them will keep silent when the Jihadis go on a rampage. Evil flourishes when good people stay silent in the presence of evil.

What we need are many more noisy good Muslims.

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28 Jun 2012, 8:45 pm

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I don't recall Martin Luther King, or even the radical minded Malcolm X, murdering anyone for the sake of black civil rights. It was in fact passive resistance that had allowed the American civil rights movement to achieve far more change than terrorists ever have with violence and murder.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Exactly. If muslims are powerless anywhere, it's because of fundamentalists committing acts of religious terrorism that make them unrealistic debating partners. That's also part of the laughable peace talks in the Middle East - they're sitting at a table for a few weeks a year, but even then, their adherents are still respectively launching rockets at Israel or bombing Palestinian settlements.