This is what the European right-wing looks like

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Real right-wingers in Europe Hard Bass.

You can continue. I just wanted to give a Hard Bass reference. Although I refuse to accept someone as credible about European far right movements if they don't know about this trend, especially in Eastern Europe.

They were seven seats off with the PVV, and they overestimated two liberal parties. Again, that's because their panel consists of semi-representative people. They're representative to a degree, but they're not the type of people to vote PVV. Those aren't generally registered with any polling institutions. They're very visible to the naked eye, but largely invisible to polling institutions. If they say 20 seats now, it might well be 25 or even 30.




There are plenty of poorly-informed people and some well-informed people on both sides. However, I've personally managed to convince several people to stop voting for traditional parties by simply telling them what the European Union was currently doing - taking the price of a new small car from every citizen of the Netherlands for a dodgy fund in Brussels that's going to collapse before the end of the decade. What might be more worrying is that the amount of money we've guaranteed for that fund is driving our national debt up in such a way that it'll be at least twenty more years at this pace until we're back at our debt level of 2011.

Yes, they're solving a debt crisis by dramatically increasing the debt in the only countries that weren't in immediate trouble yet. This is how desperate the European Union is now. If our contribution this fund does not return, our national debt will increase to approximately 80-90% of GDP, bringing us under immediate scrutiny from financial institutions and credit rating agencies.



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Wish that one existed. Anyway, what I said is that they're badly-informed. A lot of voters know very little about what they're voting for. In fact, many people who vote for our labour party can't even speak Dutch, and some are even illiterate and have their votes cast by members of their families. In large cities, people were observed entering the voting booths with several people and filling out several forms, telling their relatives what to vote for, etc. Obviously, labour won in these cities. They're allowed to do that - people are allowed to vote on behalf of others, which means in some islamic households, the man can vote twice or more.

But PVV already have 24 seats now. One or two more seats will mean frankly sod all. I still think they'll end up in third place.

And it might just as easily be 15, if those people sit on their hands on polling day. As I have said, repeatedly, polling is an inexact science. But it's the best tool that we have.




Can you not see the bias inherent in your posts? You might be deluding yourself, but you're certainly not convincing me.

In a parliamentary democracy, you don't get to criticize how other people choose to exercise their franchise. It doesn't matter whether they are well informed or not; whether they accede to the influence of their fathers, their brothers or to you. You claim to have influenced other people's votes, but then you criticize other people who influence the votes of their relatives. There is no difference here.

Now I don't say you have to like the result. But you are obliged to respect that the result is the end product of millions of citizens' exercise of their franchise.

I think you are too optimistic. I think that they will lose ground to Labour, and finish in fourth place.

The political trend is away from austerity, and the Eurosceptics will gravitate not to PVV, but to the Socialists. I suspect that PVV will lose ground in the next two months.

IMO, the problem with the European Union is that it has never been a union.

Until nation-states are finally willing to give up their sovereignty, half measures like the European Union won't work too well.

Right-wing populism frequently borders are anarchism. The FBI is, justifiably, concerned about it in the U.S.

I don't think a few kids organising 'flash raves' compares to football stadiums full of nazi's saluting or the murder spree of the nationalist socialist underground in Germany.

In Russia the far right like to spend their time doing weapons and combat training and they post videos of attacks and murders of immigrants online, not of themselves having a dance for a couple of minutes, which do you think is really the more worrying?

He's already been gotten rid of, hasn't he?

If you knew the right-wing populist movements in Europe, you'd know that they are mainly conservative parties that want to protect the traditions of their countries - some of these parties are of a libertarian/economic liberal bent, others socially conservative, others very pro-welfare state. Not all of them have policies that I would agree with but they are ALL peaceful though, and ALL openly and loudly oppose the use of violence.

Indeed. If Western leftists want to look at proper, serious racism they should take a look Russian neo-Nazis. They are some seriously scary people.

By the logic of your third paragraph, people who vote for an anti-immigrant line because they don't like brown people are no more right or wrong than anyone else. So why call them names like "knuckle draggers"?

Yup - there's definitely a huge difference between an anti-mass immigration party and a white nationalist one.

I'm from Reading, Berkshire! Meeting someone from Reading PA makes it seem a lot less fictional!

UKIP ("The EU isn't very good") wouldn't take him. The BNP ("all non-whites can GTFO") probably would, but they are really seen as scum, because they are scum, so he wouldn't want to join.

I really don't think we want a nutter like him representing us, thanks.

I'm utterly certain that Santorum would get laughed out of town if he stood for election at any vaguely mainstream party in this country. Romney would need to be Cameron's close friend, again I think UKIP would reject him.