Immigration and the Unmentionable Question

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It's an economic situation, being brown has nothing to do with it. If a bunch of bosnians came here illegally I'd say we had to give them the same choice. And Bosnians are white. I'm sick of people turning this into a race issue just because they fear angering illegal hispanics.
I'm not saying that there aren't some stupid biggots out there who will try and use illegal immigration as an excuse to be racist, but those people are just idiots. But the situation has nothing to do with the color of their skin, it has to do with economics.

in the army my two best friends were hispanic. one a texican who died R.I.P. i cried for him when his wife a fineass sexy red irish gal i might add, anyways when she told me i started studdering and dropped the phone and was crying like a baby for him. i said she knew i would be crushed. i took this guy to clubs and protected him from his mexican temper and these huge bouncers and his 5'7 skinny ass talking s**t.

my other buddie was a rican.

i love my hispanic brothers and sisters, i will kill a mofo s**t talking them. i almost killed a white that was s**t talking to my cubano homey from my town. imagine the only 2 white boys and a racial fight with hispanics and my ass backing up the hispanics? the commander assumed him and i were the perps and when all the cubanos and mexicans and ricans said that i was with them, the commanders jaw dropped and said to me "get out of my office", later he came to me and said "your a real soldier", i told him "i am one of those army guys that says we all bleed green"

.. once i had a black sargent beg me to talk to a racist guy in the unit cause he knew i was a ethical bigot that was all about 100% army racial unity! if i hear racist s**t in uniform i will go balistic. in civilian world i hold blacks to a very high standard; I HATE THUGGS AND LOW CLASS BLACK BAD ADDITUDES! aka those sellout blacks that the ignorent blacks hate..

I try not to hold anyone to a different standard due to such trivial differences. But (get ready this is gonna p!$$ off the politically correct) there is a large difference between a black person and a n!gg3r. The former is just a person, their skin color doesn't even register to me. The latter, on the other hand, are lazy, ignorant, hypocritical, violent, and wanna demand something for nothing. The "gangsta" type usually.
The same can be said of white people too though. There is a difference between a white person and a cracker. A cracker is an ignorant, hell-fire and brimstone bible thumping Bush-ite redneck theocrats usually. And where i live in NC, it's full of them.

i am certain that a race war is comming. i will be in the hills far away with my guns and kill anyone that trys to take from me. i would not trust our governement anymore then anyone else. i personally made to white flight and i think our government is the root of it. i think its a hopeless fact of life in 20-30 years. i am am not going to support a police state. if it does happen i am sure only whites will benifit from it. that is why i am never voting for the demonic-democrats or the repulic-tards again. america is screwed we have too many undereducated and they aregoing to cause a serious problem in hte near future. the white racists are ready for it and the blacks and hispanics are already at war in thier minds. if your not afraid of the governement you are one of them.

Kris, your alot more intelligent than I had initially given you credit for. But that's the basic idea, the NWO is setting it's claws in.... It has EVERYONE brainwashed, into one of 3 mother camps:

1. Liberal minded- overblown since of political correctness, live in a pipe dream.... Neo-hippies.
2. Conservative minded- Very selfish, ignorant, religiously intolerant fanatical christians hell bent on turning America into a theocracy.
3. Generation Mtv- the young "I don't give a f@#K about anything" people, brainwashed by loads of Mtv and mainstream pop culture.... Often have no ambition or purpose in life besides getting high and spending money. Also spoiled, rich kids from wealthy families (brats, ie, the anti-aspies)

i don't agree with the original premise... there is no real difference between "races"... people are people and while genetics makes people different, that doesn't matter in the least...

that said, there are other types of differences between people which ARE dangerous... the 2 main ones are religion and language. the former causes two groups of people to have a different worldview which is the most extremely dangerous. the latter causes two groups of people to be unable to communicate with each other.. if you can't communicate with someone, he/she might as well be your enemy... ask yourself, why are humans driving so many species of living things to the brink of extinction? the answer is pretty simple.. it's because we can't communicate with them..

there are other types of differences too.. like traditions, culture, etc.. but these are mostly harmless but sometimes extremely harmful... like making the women cover up for instance like in some islamic societies... it's fine if it's a personal choice, but usually it's not.. for example, there are fundies in pakistan who are threatening to shoot the legs of women who don't keep their legs covered up... it's pretty much a tradition and cultural thing... but it's dangerous nonetheless...

Never heard of the expression "terra nullius"?

IMO the aboriginies did not have a culture (as we understand it anyway). PC tree-hugger types are now trying to invent one for them. Ever heard of a traditional aboriginal marriage ceremony or its equivalent?

The theroy goes new people living amongst the existing culture .....

But America – like any other country - is more than just a political system or an abstract set of ideals. The majority population of America are a people with a history and culture – rooted in the white, Christian culture of Northern Europe.

“Liberal democracy” isn’t the answer to everything, despite what the neocon media would have you believe. Liberal democracy works best when the people in a country have similar ideas anyway about who they are and how they want to be governed.

Democracy has produced results recently that I doubt the average American would welcome in their own country; Robert Mugabe was democratically elected, and so were Hamas. The election of Mugabe shows you what can happen when you have democracy in a multiracial country. The election of Hamas shows you that not everyone in the world wants “freedom” as Americans understand it.

By the way, the quotes above remind me of something I hear quite often these days. The UK is so PC these days that just about the strongest thing anyone is allowed to say in public is that “people who come here should assimilate into our way of life, not the other way round”. In response, no one ever seems to ask: How are we going to measure whether or not each person will assimilate or has assimilated? How long are we going to give them? And what are we actually going to do if certain people don’t – or can’t – assimilate? Are we going to keep on letting hundreds of thousands of foreigners into our country year after year while mouthing the same useless platitudes?

Similarly, what are Americans going to do if life in their multiracial “liberal democratic republic” keeps getting worse?

Many people would argue that effectively this is the government’s job, and that it’s not “abnormal” as you put it, but perfectly normal. In fact, this is why nations originally came into being – most nations evolved as political entities for protecting the interests of distinct peoples from the threat posed by outsiders.

Of course ancient people never thought in terms of “genes”, but they had a commonsense understanding of themselves as belonging to a certain “people”. This was one of the points made by the article. All the talk about genes in the article I posted was merely to make the point that human beings’ commonsense perceptions about race (before the advent of political correctness at least) have a scientific basis. And it’s no use telling people it doesn’t matter how many genes they pass on. Human nature doesn’t change just because you understand some of the science behind it.

Political entities containing diverse peoples tend to need illiberal measures to maintain order. This was this situation with Yugoslavia, for instance, which needed the dictator Tito to maintain order before it eventually descended into civil war.

If multiracialism was so natural for Western nations, they wouldn't need masses of illiberal affirmative action programs and race relations legislation.

Codarac, I'm sorry but I can't agree with this racial seperatist way of thinking. Yeah, your right in that uni-cultural societies have less cultural relation issues, but if anything this tells us that humans need alot of work in learning to put aside our differences. I am against illegal immigration, but it has NOTHING to do with their color or their culture. I can't say this enough. As far as being more multi-cultural, that's a good thing, we could all learn from eachother.
I'm not gonna jump conclusions and call you a racist, because i don't know you that well. But, this is exactly what people from storm front will say "I'm not racist, I just believe the races should be seperated".
America was NEVER built around 1 culture, or 1 religion, America is the "land of opportunity"....

But the race of those immigrants does have an economic impact. What would be best for your economy, 200,000 from some African state with a mean IQ of 85, or 200,000 from, say, Japan with a mean IQ of 110?

Here's a relevant discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations
and:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_Differences_in_Intelligence

snae321, you said "if anything this tells us that humans need alot of work in learning to put aside our differences". I think everyone will agree that 'putting aside our differences' is not possible for normal human beings. We just don't operate like this especially in groups. People, as a group, in this case nation, cannot remove negative perceptions of others just like that, there needs to be some sympathizing on a personal scale for ONE person to put aside their differences. It's not going to happen, just like being autistic will never be accepted in the mainstream social life. Thousands of years of human conflict has taught us this. Only now, people are precieved to be less discriminate because of laws(employment,anti-racism,equality), consumerism, media. The avg. person is basically forced to not be discriminate to the disagreement of their own human nature. Yes discrimination is natural and yes it needs to be moderated, but being entirely anti-racist or anti-discriminate is not the answer as it will suppress human nature too much and cause an eventually outburst like civil war or something less severe.

As for saying "As far as being more multi-cultural, that's a good thing, we could all learn from each other", multi-culturalism is basically the destruction of culture. Never think that an individual culture is benefiting from the traditions of another culture. It just doesn't work that way. When we all learn from each other we adopt some of their culture and we essentially become a mixed bag of tradition(and a mixed bag that doesn't have a common theme by the way, ie. it clashs). Multiculturalism will eventually be the new 'culture' that will seem normal for the states, but in the future, if most nations adopt multiculturalism, every nation will have a very very very very similar culture that is composed of this mixed bag. you would agree, the world would be very uninteresting and uniform if this happened. Therefore, I think multiculturalism is a temporary pleasure for those who enjoy immigration, but it's very destructive for culture and for people who value it. Essentially the thing is that immigration is a force equal and opposite to culture just like newton's law. When an immigrant immigrates, he absorbs the new culture and assimilates, however, during that process, he influenced the new culture with his old, thus changing it so that the two cultures are closer.

I know this is racism. I don't mind if you call me racist, as I am according to your def. People think it's a bad thing to be labeled 'racist' and it is very bad in today's social sense. That's what's wrong, people are forced to conform to social standards, yet they are always at least somewhat racist naturally. I am racist naturally, but just don't mix me up with the following: the KKK, the holocaust, anything else extreme, those are just people who have taken it too far and have given racism an extremely bad name. I am against immigration because I don't want to have to think discriminately about people period, I rather would not be discriminate and have just similar people of the same ethnicity around me while the same could apply for the immigrants wishing to immigrate if they stayed where they were.

So, do you have friends who are gay, or black, or brown, or a different faith, or a different nationality?

I never said that a liberal democracy is what is best for all nations, and I also should have considered how the cultural structure of America will change in the future, but that is uncertain for now. It is most likely that the relative wealth and influence that America has or had will wane over this century and I am a bit troubled on how our citizens would hand the decrease of influence since a lot of them find that we're not "tough enough" on crime and we don't "spend enough" on defense. Nevertheless, I feel that our Constitution has proven to be a great model for our country and I would say about 90% of the citizens would agree.

yes i do, i have a black and brown friend, but that's not the point. The point is that people are better off if they group together, and they do, to avoid discriminate tensions. My black and brown friends are friends, but if i had a purely objectional choice between friends with the same personality and one of them was a minority and the other is white, I'd choose the white one. People naturally group with similar people in all cultural aspects, period. I am not so racist that I would not be friends with them, because in this case their personalities overrun the racial tensions I have with them easily.

Also, gay people are always going to be in society, they do not immigrate like people of different backgrounds. Society has no choice with gay people. I respect gay rights somewhat, but wouldn't care to be friends with them so much as heterosexual people because of the sexual tensions I don't need.

These differences are something man NEEDS to learn to progress and evolve through. Being a p**** and giving in to such evil desires doesn't justify it. We all have to share this world, even if we segregated, what would happen would be an abomination. It'd be slavery all over again, and I'm better than that crap.