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Should Barack Obama be impeached?
Yes 39%  39%  [ 24 ]
No 61%  61%  [ 37 ]
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10 Jun 2013, 2:10 pm

"Meet the new boss; Same as the old boss!" -- Pete Townshend, "Won't Get Fooled Again" (The Who - 1971)

Townshend stated in 2006 that: "... revolution, like all action, can have results we cannot predict. Don't expect to see what you expect to see. Expect nothing and you might gain everything ..."

Whoever takes over from Mr. Obama is going to face the same real-world issues, and the same criticisms from the Right or the Left ... maybe both.



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10 Jun 2013, 2:24 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
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Forget about your wishful thinking. Does anyone here really believe Obama is going to be impeached for anything?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


He could be impeached, the GOP controls the House and there is just cause. He wouldn't be convicted tho since the Dems control the senate and they will never abandon their leader no matter how much of a dictator he becomes.


Dictator? Please!

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Not a dictator. He is Fascist in Chief with the help of his Democrat buddies who practice soft fascism. In German they practice hard core fascism.

ruveyn


Fascism? Again, please. And even if that were true, are the Republicans any better?

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10 Jun 2013, 2:49 pm

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Dictator? Please!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


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A precedent that allows the president to kill citizens in secret without prior judicial or legislative review

The power to detain prisoners indefinitely without charges or trial

Ongoing warrantless surveillance on millions of Americans accused of no wrongdoing, converted into a permanent database so that data of innocents spied upon in 2007 can be accessed in 2027

Using ethnic profiling to choose the targets of secret spying, as the NYPD did with John Brennan's blessing

Normalizing situations in which the law itself is secret -- and whatever mischief is hiding in those secret interpretations

The permissibility of droning to death people whose identities are not even known to those doing the killing

The ability to collect DNA swabs of people who have been arrested even if they haven't been convicted of anything

A torture program that could be restarted with an executive order

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ma/276635/

Does none of that sound the least bit dictator-ish to you?

And Bill deflect to the Republicans in 3, 2, 1, ...


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10 Jun 2013, 3:14 pm

Dox47 wrote:
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Dictator? Please!

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A precedent that allows the president to kill citizens in secret without prior judicial or legislative review

The power to detain prisoners indefinitely without charges or trial

Ongoing warrantless surveillance on millions of Americans accused of no wrongdoing, converted into a permanent database so that data of innocents spied upon in 2007 can be accessed in 2027

Using ethnic profiling to choose the targets of secret spying, as the NYPD did with John Brennan's blessing

Normalizing situations in which the law itself is secret -- and whatever mischief is hiding in those secret interpretations

The permissibility of droning to death people whose identities are not even known to those doing the killing

The ability to collect DNA swabs of people who have been arrested even if they haven't been convicted of anything

A torture program that could be restarted with an executive order

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ma/276635/

Does none of that sound the least bit dictator-ish to you?

And Bill deflect to the Republicans in 3, 2, 1, ...


If the American people are upset over government overreach in security matters, then the place they ought to look for the culprit is in the mirror. Since 9/11, Americans have been so chickenshit over the threat of terrorism that we have not only allowed our rights to be compromised for the sake of safety, we've insisted on it. The Genie is out of the bottle.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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10 Jun 2013, 3:31 pm

/\ 357 - 66; 98 - 1.

Nuff said...



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10 Jun 2013, 3:37 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Forget about your wishful thinking. Does anyone here really believe Obama is going to be impeached for anything?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


He could be impeached, the GOP controls the House and there is just cause. He wouldn't be convicted tho since the Dems control the senate and they will never abandon their leader no matter how much of a dictator he becomes.


Dictator? Please!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Not a dictator. He is Fascist in Chief with the help of his Democrat buddies who practice soft fascism. In German they practice hard core fascism.

ruveyn


I don't know if you're saying the opposite, but the republicans are between the fascist Obama and Hitler.



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10 Jun 2013, 6:09 pm

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I don't know if you're saying the opposite, but the republicans are between the fascist Obama and Hitler.


The Republicans are also Statists which makes them soft-core fascists. Neither the Liberal Democrats or the pro-corporation Republican are friends of liberty. One wants to regulate what you eat and who you associate with, the other wants to socialize corporate losses and privatize corporate profits.

A pox on both their houses.

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10 Jun 2013, 7:11 pm

Hell f*cking yes he should be impeached. But will he? Nope. Not going to happen.

He'll be impeached just as much as W was.



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10 Jun 2013, 7:18 pm

Come to think of it ... shouldn't every president be required to endure impeachment midway through each term of service?

Sort of like an employee review, but with more people taking part.



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10 Jun 2013, 8:41 pm

I don't see sufficient grounds for impeachment, but both Obama and Bush (and several of their predecessors) could be tried for aggression at the International Criminal Court if the political motivations and means existed - obviously, neither do.



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10 Jun 2013, 9:38 pm

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Come to think of it ... shouldn't every president be required to endure impeachment midway through each term of service?

Sort of like an employee review, but with more people taking part.


In ancient Rome, it became almost standard practice for provincial governors to be tried for malfeasance after they were recalled to Rome.

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10 Jun 2013, 11:09 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Forget about your wishful thinking. Does anyone here really believe Obama is going to be impeached for anything?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Rest assured that my wishful thinking is far more comprehensive than just an impeachment......


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11 Jun 2013, 1:12 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
If the American people are upset over government overreach in security matters, then the place they ought to look for the culprit is in the mirror. Since 9/11, Americans have been so chickenshit over the threat of terrorism that we have not only allowed our rights to be compromised for the sake of safety, we've insisted on it. The Genie is out of the bottle.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Again, not going to address the actual right or wrong but instead stick to the politics? I've been consistent through multiple administrations on these issues, so has much of the libertarian movement, it's the civil liberties left that seems to only care when a Republican is in office. Sort of like your adoration for W.20, since this version has a D after his name.


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11 Jun 2013, 2:04 am

Probably get more utility out've trying to challenge specific House and Senate members for primaries in the run-up to 2014.


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11 Jun 2013, 5:49 am

Dox47 wrote:
Again, not going to address the actual right or wrong but instead stick to the politics? I've been consistent through multiple administrations on these issues, so has much of the libertarian movement, it's the civil liberties left that seems to only care when a Republican is in office.

Well, maybe one embarrassing part of it. Many progressive commentators have in a number of respects been as critical of Obama as they have been of Bush, especially those you would see in print rather than on television. There is also a toxic political situation for Democrats in congress; more civil liberties-minded Democrats tend to be viewed as unelectable doves on the national stage. I recall when the Patriot Act came to a vote in the Senate, and the only person who voted against was Russ Feingold (who has been consistent on his own positions, but was ousted by a Tea Party Republican in 2010).



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11 Jun 2013, 5:55 am

GGPViper wrote:
/\ 357 - 66; 98 - 1.

Nuff said...

Hector wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Again, not going to address the actual right or wrong but instead stick to the politics? I've been consistent through multiple administrations on these issues, so has much of the libertarian movement, it's the civil liberties left that seems to only care when a Republican is in office.

Well, maybe one embarrassing part of it. Many progressive commentators have in a number of respects been as critical of Obama as they have been of Bush, especially those you would see in print rather than on television. There is also a toxic political situation for Democrats in congress; more civil liberties-minded Democrats tend to be viewed as unelectable doves on the national stage. I recall when the Patriot Act came to a vote in the Senate, and the only person who voted against was Russ Feingold (who has been consistent on his own positions, but was ousted by a Tea Party Republican in 2010).

What I said...