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There is a difference between conspiracy and conspiracy theory. Criminal conspiracies occur all the time. Tobacco companies conspired (colluded) with one another to present false information about the harmful effects of their products. They are still paying for it today. Conspiracy theories are entirely different.

Masons are a mixed bag in that some, if they actually read and follow Manly P Hall, are mystics on the alchemical path - I have no problem with people doing that and if they have it sorted out as their personal quest that's noble. I think in 1717 they were seeking to be able research anything they wanted, test anything they wanted, and intellectually indulge their curiosities as much as possible with as much immunity to king, pope, and villager as possible. In so many ways they wanted to carry the renaissance on in private even if the weight of the witch hunts and Jesuits was bearing down on them at the time.

Like any company there are mission statements, people come people go, and the mission statement carries that organization forward. Masonry had a lot to do with America being a bastion of intellectual freedom via their founding it, just that as time went on it also brought us the gift of secular humanism. Really at the core of it is a theosophic/pantheistic humanism or really a slightly mystic humanism rather than secular that does everything it can to reduce religious barriers (all being counted valid outside of atheism) and that seems to be the general drift of direction. Where Masonry calmed down though it seems like the torch was passed on to the Theosophic society, Lucis Trust, etc. in terms of cultural landscape shifting.

If that's the case then the term conspiracy theory has horrid violence done to its definitional value all day long and perhaps we should be fighting its overuse/abuse.

Its the conspiracy theorists themselves -doing 'horrid violence' to logic- who are the problem. Not people miss using the term 'conspiracy theory'.

The remedy is education. As Jefferson said, there needs to be an "informed electorate." Conspiracy theorists are likely making Jefferson roll over in his grave.

Jefferson would also not have much patience with some of the modern "pro-Constitution" folks:

There seem to be quite a few different ideas of what the Illuminati is. Or was. Whatever.
But usually, it's a name given to the 1% and people working closely with or for them. They don't need a name and I highly doubt they gave themselves one. But these people do exist and most of the time, what people say the Illuminati are up to, you can see that it's true if you research it and look at the facts.
It's dangerous, though. Because talking about these people as the Illuminati seems to open doors to bat s**t crazy things like reptilians and a devil worshiping music industry. And then people lump all these things together, whether you can prove it or not. They just close their minds off to everything they can label a "conspiracy theory" because of some peoples wild theories.

I would agree that a very group of wealthy and powerful people are pulling the strings, but I don't think they are all working together in some sort of organized cabal. They are in splintered groups, trying to wrest power and money from each other as well as the less powerful and wealthy. It isn't some grand conspiracy, just greedy people who want more money and powerful people who lust for more power (or more often than not, both).

If one believes in angels, demons, etc. it gets even less confusing.

Albeit I still don't know which way the angel choirs would go - mainstream Christian split (ie. with God vs. fallen) or the Rosicrucian/Anthroposophist continuum (ie. Christic/Luciferic/Ahrimanic split). I suppose that's part of what I'm trying to sort out right now with the heavy reading.

No matter what opinions someone has, I wholeheartedly approve of them as long as they have examined as much of the information as possible before making up their minds.

You guys as you may know by now, Autism Speaks was an all encompassing special interest for me, where I explored every detail in the most minute of way. There was no one that could defeat my logic. Not bragging; it's just the truth...

The 'illuminati' is my new special interest..

It really does exist. It's just that most people can't see it, so to speak.

Remember the movie 'Matrix'?

That's how it works in the 'real' 'spirit' world.

Let me see if I can explain it in 'Layman' terms.

There is this 'voice' of the 'Illuminati' that every one gets to connect with
if they can figure out how to do it.

You don't have to be part of a secret society, to be a member.

In fact, chances are, if you are, you've never been a member.

It doesn't easily happen with cultural background noise.

If anyone really wants to understand how it works. You can pursue the teachings
of Aleister Crowley and all the paths of people in history that lead back to this man.

And you may figure it out too...

Relatively speaking he is the Jesus of Hollywood.

The Beatles set off a time bomb, through his teachings, with Sargent Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band. It is no surprise that it is considered the most popular Album of all time.

It was inspired by Aleister Crowley's teachings as well as LSD and other Aids of altered mind.

There are other places to go that exist. You don't get to go there, until you can separate logic from the experience. And you don't get to come back unless there is logic to take you away.

I have explored this phenomenon in great detail in my blog. 'Trust me', it exists.

In fact, you can call it God if you want to. There isn't any difference.

It doesn't play by the rules of logic; strictly by 'the book'.

It's almost impossible to describe it. You have to experience it to fully understand it.

The thing is, when you understand it. Only then, can you fully experience liberty.

It is free will. Yes, it exists, too. Very hard to exist in though; as a 'rational' mind.

The only person I know of in Hollywood that is an actual 'member' who actually understands it is Madonna. She is much more intelligent than you can ever imagine.

I'll have to talk to you more about this as I've been swimming deeper in the waters of western esotericism lately than I ever have before.

The only thing that can get a bit scary about the world you're talking about is just how amusement park-like it can feel. At times its like crossing the movie Southland Tales with a bunch of Lana Del Ray videos, and strangely it seems like so much of the popular music these days - especially stuff that's laden with that very thick, heavy, mood-intenstive stuff - seems to come from out there (which was my favorite side of sound for the longest time, most of my own music was as laden with it as possible, but getting a better look at it my reviews on that have gotten generally more mixed).

The feeling that seems to be mounting is that when Aleister Crowley's Enochian invocations are completed (ie. the Antichrist holds the last key), rather than being swept by violence we'll be swept by seduction, ie. the demonic realm seems to get a lot farther by getting us blushed, flummoxed, and controlling our pleasure circuitry than it does delivering raw violence - at least until it can give us orgasmic pleasure off of such violence. The trouble with even saying that is that there are so many models, odds for all we know that something could be coming in the next few decades or absolutely nothing. I'm still on the fence with the bible for instance wondering whether the realities of it are closer to western exoteric or closer to Rosicrucian outlooks. The moment I think I might have found the end of the tunnel I usually just find it was a bend in the rabbit hole.

I know one is supposed to leave their rational mind at home but it does seem like everyone - Hermeticists, Kabbalists, Sufis, Rosicrucians, and even born again in the Holy Spirit protestants - all have a piece of it when it comes to that raw energy pool that's floating below the surface. The only thing that's so strange is how it seems to treat everyone or how many different exclusive religions can get the same kinds of mystic, even somewhat superhuman, results.

To Crowley, there are no demons. There are beings, both spiritual and material, who have discovered their true thelema (will) and those who have not.

What I mentioned about the invocations from Donald Tyson's overview of the Enochian language. John Dee and Edward Kelly were given a protocol of something like 19 keys and 30 aethers to awaken which would cause the four watch towers on the etheric planes to open or essentially cause the four archangels who keep the chaos out to loosen the gates - one more that they did not have would cause the gates of the abyss to open entirely (final key holder it sounds like would be referred to in Revelations 9 as Abaddon/Apollyon).

John Dee never used it, from what I understand of his character that wouldn't have been his kind of thing and really he didn't get what he was hoping for (ie. information he could use to give Queen Elizabeth II more power) so it got thrown by the wayside, along with Edward Kelly about the time that he suggested swapping wives.

Apparently Enochian angel magick can be used in other ways than opening the four watch towers and there's been a board game called Enochian Chess which was used by the Golden Dawn as an initiatory and teaching tool. What I don't get though, if Aleister Crowley was just trying to be hip or edgy with the whole 666 'the Beast' thing (same for Jack Parsons as self-proclaimed Antichrist) - why did he not only become one of the greatest experts on Enochian magick, some say the greatest, but then also spend 19 days in Algeria to perform the full commencement of the Apocalypse ritual as directed in the John Dee/Edward Kelly transmissions? I'd find Aleister Crowley as doubtful of living up to his self-title as Jack Parsons for Antichrist or Margerie Cameron living up to Scarlet Lady, but clearly both Aleister and Jack were playing with things that would tell us that they at least believed themselves.

Even if they their beliefs made it "okay" to make innocent people suffer in some way?

I once found Thelemite/Thelemic philosophy to be interesting, but I never bought into the magickal aspects. Now, my views are different. I also have one book about John Dee. It is linked, alphabetically (under John Dee) from this page.

In my opinion it is a matter of raw energy...

The E-world is a most powerful tool of raw energy..

Pornography is a type of Sexmagick.... Used judicially, I think it can even be used on the path to spiritual enlightenment. I didn't understand that part of it until I came across Crowley.

Regardless of where people end up there is a great deal of dopamine stimulation resulting in higher frequencies of Human energy...

The affect I believe is synergy...

It can be negative or positive energy... But the net effect is energy.

Ultimately, in my mind it is a divine comedy....

Everyone has a role to play... Crowley believed that was his role... As far as I know.

The affect is 'bad' news carries far...
His influence is farther reaching because of that notoriety.
The ultimate effect is more people receive the message...

Crowley and Thelema is not for everyone.
I was scared of it when I was younger..
But I am no longer scared of it.

In my opinion as far as effect on the masses.
He probably is one of the most influential
human beings in the last 100 years.
I am glad I recently came across 'The Book of Law'.
It answered many questions for me.

I think it affects everyone in their own true will way.

Refreshing to see open minds here.
It means nothing to closed minds.

What is below is above....

I find myself following these teachings
well before I knew who the man was....
I don't think you have to have a piece of anything special except for a sincere attempt at search for one's own true will... That was always the way, before 'background noise' took over, as far as I can see. I see it as an archetype of human mind, always there waiting to be found.