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14 Dec 2013, 5:11 am

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Zen practice is *much* less ritualistic than classic, Tibetan Vipassana, and Zen doesn't really have any deities (even the Buddha is regarded as a teacher, not a god) the way that Vipassana does. That's what I meant. They're still both meditatively focused versions of Buddhism, though.


Oh, I was talking from the Theravada point of view. Theravada is about as ritualistic as Zen, I think.



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14 Dec 2013, 5:17 am

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You may or may not have to give up your car and other possessions.The nun and monk I know did not have to,they also have jobs.They don't wear the monastic robes to work,but they wear colors that are the same.Saffron and maroon.Both have their heads shaved.
The deities in Tibetan Buddhism are symbolic,there are wrathful ones and they have a peaceful counterpart.The wrathful ones are not bad,but are used to help overcome obstacles.
Most ceremonies are done in Tibetan,the text usually has a guide in how to pronounce the words.You also use drums,damaru and chod drum,and a bell in some rituals.I liked the purification rituals.Riwo Sanchod,it's a smoke offering.Even to set up the shrine has to be done a certain way.The offering bowls must be a certain distance apart,fresh offerings must be put out each day and there is a chant for this.Some of the rituals should really not be discussed around ultra conservative Christians,they won't understand.You are also not suppose to use a mantra unless you have had the teaching and the empowerment for that deity.If you decide to do Dzoghen,expect to do lots of counting on the mala and lots of prostrations.


I think it's only reasonable to become a buddhist nun if you are able to live the renunciant's life. If the vinaya is to be taken seriously, that is. It may, however, depend on the vinaya lineage.



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14 Dec 2013, 10:09 am

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Expect to have your head shaved bald, buddhist nuns are bald like the monks.


I am well aware of that. I wouldn't have considered to become a buddhist nun if I didn't know what it means and what the consequenses are.

Besides, I have been cutting my own haire for a long time because I feel totally out of place in hairdressing salon, which means that my hairdo it looks sh***y anyway.



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14 Dec 2013, 10:40 am

I don't find the differences between Hinayana, Mahayana and Vajrayana that interesting. They all have the same basis and that is far more important as far as I'm concerned. I thinkt the existence of all these different schools contradicts the buddhist opinion that there is no separateness.

I know that one is supposed to make a choice between these different versions of buddhism but I see no harm in combining them all. Why not? You can learn from all of them and they are all valuable.



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14 Dec 2013, 11:06 am

Sure, you can learn from them all, but you can't join all their monasteries.



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14 Dec 2013, 12:13 pm

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I don't find the differences between Hinayana, Mahayana and Vajrayana that interesting. They all have the same basis and that is far more important as far as I'm concerned. I thinkt the existence of all these different schools contradicts the buddhist opinion that there is no separateness.

I know that one is supposed to make a choice between these different versions of buddhism but I see no harm in combining them all. Why not? You can learn from all of them and they are all valuable.


I don't think there's actual harm in combining these schools. Personaly I chose not to do it. It's not an arbitrary choice, but I don't want to get into sectarian arguments.

By the way, there are theravadins who take offense with the term "hinayana" (long story). I don't care about it, but I wouldn't go to a theravadin nun and say something like "What are the core teachings of hinayana?"



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14 Dec 2013, 12:17 pm

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Sure, you can learn from them all, but you can't join all their monasteries.


Well, it's not all or nothing. She can start at one monastery, where she would spend the necessary time with her preceptor to learn the monastic discipline apropriately. Then she would be more independent and could chose to go to any female monastery.



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14 Dec 2013, 5:29 pm

I used to think about doing that. I used to live a lot more like a nun than I do now, so it didn't seem totally unrealistic. However, even though my current lifestyle is very much not like a nun, I think I could still give everything up apart from sexual love.

I can only see myself doing Zen, not that I'm saying you should. I used to do zazen at a Soto Zen dojo and it's the only 'spiritual' community I felt was right for me. Before that I used to be a Quaker and that wasn't quite right. I also went for a few classes with the Triratna group (formerly the FWBO) and I didn't like them. I haven't tried Tibetan Buddhism because after experiencing zazen, I thought that was the path I would take if I was ever to concentrate more on Buddhism.

At the moment, I'm not observant (not even meditating) but whatever I discovered by doing zazen is still there with me, somewhere.


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14 Dec 2013, 6:00 pm

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That is true but eventhough I certainly don't claim to know everything about tibetan buddhism there is to know I think these ritals are not there for the sake of ritualism in itself. They probably have a lot of depth, meaning and learning value.
Besides, there are quite a number of rituals in zen buddhism as well.


There certainly are rituals in Zen Buddhism, but it's strangely different to any other religious ritual I've encountered (I've never encountered Tibetan ritual, so I don't know if they're at all similar.) Zen is quite explicit that the point of the rituals is that they are done for their own sake, just like shikantaza is. They're empty like everything else is. You learn this as you do them. Then you feel strangely free and in-the-moment while performing them. I can't put it into words very well. You just have to experience them in order to get it - like Zen itself.


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14 Dec 2013, 6:20 pm

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Expect to have your head shaved bald, buddhist nuns are bald like the monks.


I would be like, 'bring it!' I would love to let go of the vanity I have about my hair.

I won't do it as a layperson, but if I became a nun I think a lot of boldness (no pun) that I repress to fit into society will be released.


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14 Dec 2013, 6:34 pm

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Sure, you can learn from them all, but you can't join all their monasteries.


You are right. It is impossible to join all the monastries of the different buddhis schools but it is possible to learn all about them before one takes the definite step of joining a particular monastery.



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14 Dec 2013, 6:35 pm

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pokerface wrote:
I don't find the differences between Hinayana, Mahayana and Vajrayana that interesting. They all have the same basis and that is far more important as far as I'm concerned. I thinkt the existence of all these different schools contradicts the buddhist opinion that there is no separateness.

I know that one is supposed to make a choice between these different versions of buddhism but I see no harm in combining them all. Why not? You can learn from all of them and they are all valuable.


I don't think there's actual harm in combining these schools. Personaly I chose not to do it. It's not an arbitrary choice, but I don't want to get into sectarian arguments.

By the way, there are theravadins who take offense with the term "hinayana" (long story). I don't care about it, but I wouldn't go to a theravadin nun and say something like "What are the core teachings of hinayana?"


I didn't know that.



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14 Dec 2013, 6:39 pm

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AspieOtaku wrote:
Expect to have your head shaved bald, buddhist nuns are bald like the monks.


I would be like, 'bring it!' I would love to let go of the vanity I have about my hair.

I won't do it as a layperson, but if I became a nun I think a lot of boldness (no pun) that I repress to fit into society will be released.


That's right. Not having to worry about your hairdo,, clothes and overall appearance will be an enormous relief. I do like cleanliness though. I would really appreciate the opportunity of taking daily showers.



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14 Dec 2013, 7:36 pm

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This may sound strange but that is my secret plan for the future. No one knows about it yet and that is probably for the best.
I wonder it's possible when you are diagnosed with aspergers but I am certainly going to give it a try.

My friend is one. You should find a temple. She has a degree in philosophy from George Mason and a Masters from a theology school on the west coast. She
also a chaplain. She doesn't have Asperger's.



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17 Dec 2013, 7:59 pm

I have just taken the first hurdle. I talked to my mother about my plans of becoming a buddhist nun and she seemed to accept it,, espcecially because it is going to take a couple of years before I will make my first attempt to realize it. She was neither angry nor surprised. Sometimes it feels like I am made for a monastic lifestyle. It really suits me. Ofcourse I will have to work on some major personal issues like a nasty temper and my tendancy for cynical and negative thinking but all in due course. Than there is the possibility that I may never become a buddhist nun because of the fact that I might not get accepted by a monastery but I'm okay with thatas well. If I can't become a nun I am going to travel for a while when my mother and grandmother are not around anymore allthought I am a little ambivalent about it all because I hope they will live for as long as possible.



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06 Jul 2016, 3:33 pm

Hi. Please forgive my late response (3 years) as I've only just found this thread. I am wondering if you have travelled and become a nun in this time?

I took Buddhist ani (nun) ordination in Namdroling Tibetan Buddhist Monastery, Karnataka State, South India, in 2001 from the late HH Penor Rinpoche. I managed to live in the monastery for only 9 months and then needed to travel for visa reasons. I ended up 16 months living in India with her wonderful people. The last 3-4 months I rented a retreat cottage in a Sherpa village up in Nth East India near Kalimpong before returning to the West.

Since leaving India I have struggled with health and almost died from a serious medical misadventure which forced me to temporarily disrobe for 6 years because my lower back couldn't carry the weight of my heavy robes. It is only in the past few years that I've managed to redesign my robes so they are lighter, yet more suited to the unpredictable colder climate here. My redesigned robes are based on several years of research, trial and error as I tried to interpret the rules given in the Pali Sutta's of the original design of a wayfearer's robes.

I was only diagnosed with ASD 4 years ago, so am still getting to grips with it in my own way. I live in relative isolation thanks to the kindness of a friend. If I could I would have stayed in Namdroling, but have to accept visa and my current health limitations and make the most of it here. The ASD makes communication difficult so I prefer to keep to myself and do solitary practice which is ok. There are no monasterys or nunnerys in Australia or here for my lineage of Tibetan Buddhism and I see all forms of Buddhism as essentially no different so occasionally, health permitting I will randomly appear at different Buddhist functions.

It isn't easy being a western nun with ASD, as my inner urge is to live in Namdroling in a culture I seem to understand and can almost blend into. Being alone in the West is hard, but I've noticed with time that the people have become more understanding and accepting of the robes. I don't like standing out in the crowd but that's part of my practice to live with that here. I wear the robes and the vows only as a personal mental refuge and physical protection against the elements as Buddha advised. I live off charity to meet my daily needs. As an ordinary human I often don't get things right and am more frail these days, but keep reminding myself thats ok as it's just temporary reality and I am just the six elements with nothing to cling to as a solid unchanging me or mine. I see this as the essential meaning of the Dharma which brings occassional liberation from my world of mental and physical suffering. Love, joy and compassion grow naturally from the the equanimity which arises during each small glimpse of the six elements when uncontaminated by self clinging.

Wishing you well on your journey, much love ani