Do You Think The Bible Is True(Self Evident)

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30 Dec 2013, 7:33 am

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God had m en write the bible using the holy spirit(2 Peter 1:21)
Some also believe God the Father may have written the first chapter of Genesis Himself, which I think its definitely possible.


Oh really, then how do you explain the nonsense contained in that chapter, oh thats right you chose to believe nonsense over fact, off you go now, keep telling yourself this is true, oh and dont forget to abuse some more people in the name of god. :roll: :roll: :roll:


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30 Dec 2013, 8:32 am

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To be more precise, we share a common ancestor with monkeys. The monkeys of today and the humans of today come from the same ancestor. This is shown not only by the fossil record where we have found many transitional forms with the older fossils being more ape-like and showing a clear progression to more human-like features over time, but even more by the genetic evidence.

Human chromosome 2 is practically a smoking gun showing our recent common ancestry with the other great apes. Again I say that if evolution did NOT happen, that would make God a liar. Is your God a trickster? Why would all the evidence of His creation show that evolution happens if it doesn't? Could it be that maybe, just maybe, you aren't supposed to read Genesis as a history book or a science book but instead as a spiritual teaching? And why couldn't God use evolution as a tool of His creation to make us in His image?

No I am not a Catholic, but Augustine had a good point that I agree with. Since you are so very wrong about something that has so much physical evidence I can easily check for myself to see you are wrong about it, why oh why should I even begin to trust your opinion on spiritual matters not so easily checked?

Besides being falsified by evidence, fundamentalism has theological problems too. It limits God's power to man's understanding of His words. And many evangelical fundamentalist Christians have made an IDOL of the Bible. They are committing idolatry.



Like i said i dont believe in evolution moreover its called "Evolution theory", same as the "Big Bang Theory". They theorys meaning man made attempts to avoid God.

Good your not a catholic, they follow doctrines of demons(1 Timothy 4:1-3)

Most people have a God of there own imagination. Like one who dosent kill people, has predestined most people to hell



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30 Dec 2013, 8:34 am

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The bible is indeed self evident. As we can see there is no way there can be life without a super natural diety


Really, based upon what knowledge and evidence? I assume you have read and refuted the contemporary thoughts on the formation of the universe, multiverses, brane theory, and the latest "rainbow theory" which if correct removes the need for a singularity.


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Im not interested in theorys



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30 Dec 2013, 8:36 am

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All i can say is
The bible says not to lean on our own understanding(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Gods thoughts and his ways are not ours(isaiah 55:8-9)
it is a curse to trust in man and not the Lord(Jeremiah 17:5)

its just best to trust in the lord and maybe he will have mercy on you, but for most he dosent.


Ok. Here is a project for you. Investigate all the discoveries and inventions that allow you to sit at your computer and discuss the literal word of god over the internet. Then look to the bible and see just how many discoveries you are utilising which refute the above statement. If you do this with a degree of effort you will come to some interesting knowledge.


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For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 1 Timothy 4:4

meaning everything is from God also see Romans 11:36



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30 Dec 2013, 8:37 am

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Do You Think The Bible Is True(Self Evident)


The bible is a mixture of fables, myths and legends. It is no more true than any other mythological tales such as those about Zeus or Ulysses or tales of the Viking gods or Hindu gods.


This is an classic Atheist argument. Athiesm is a joke(Psalm 14:1-3)



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30 Dec 2013, 8:39 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
Moviefan2k4 wrote:
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God had m en write the bible using the holy spirit(2 Peter 1:21)
Some also believe God the Father may have written the first chapter of Genesis Himself, which I think its definitely possible.


Oh really, then how do you explain the nonsense contained in that chapter, oh thats right you chose to believe nonsense over fact, off you go now, keep telling yourself this is true, oh and dont forget to abuse some more people in the name of god. :roll: :roll: :roll:


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30 Dec 2013, 8:56 am

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Do You Think The Bible Is True(Self Evident)


The bible is a mixture of fables, myths and legends. It is no more true than any other mythological tales such as those about Zeus or Ulysses or tales of the Viking gods or Hindu gods.


This is an classic Atheist argument. Athiesm is a joke(Psalm 14:1-3)


:lol: The only jokes I can see are your replies in this thread. You are obviously clueless about science and the real world. I'll leave you to your delusions. Bye.


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30 Dec 2013, 10:03 am

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Do You Think The Bible Is True(Self Evident)


The bible is a mixture of fables, myths and legends. It is no more true than any other mythological tales such as those about Zeus or Ulysses or tales of the Viking gods or Hindu gods.


This is an classic Atheist argument. Athiesm is a joke(Psalm 14:1-3)


:lol: The only jokes I can see are your replies in this thread. You are obviously clueless about science and the real world. I'll leave you to your delusions. Bye.


clueless? look at these verses

No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44

For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father John 6:64-65

these two verses indicate it takes an act of God for someone to be drawn to Him. It also takes a supernatural act of God for someone to recieve the Holy Spirit(Titus 3:5), which has yet to happen to me



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30 Dec 2013, 11:16 am

If the bible is true, then God is unworthy of worship. He is constantly committing or commanding others to commit genocide, infanticide, etc.. It be better off for God's character if the bible wasn't true.



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30 Dec 2013, 11:38 am

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If the bible is true, then God is unworthy of worship. He is constantly committing or commanding others to commit genocide, infanticide, etc.. It be better off for God's character if the bible wasn't true.


The bible is truth, the reason you cant believe God is because Romans 9:16 states He has mercy on whom he wants and hardens whom he wants.



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30 Dec 2013, 11:41 am

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If the bible is true, then God is unworthy of worship. He is constantly committing or commanding others to commit genocide, infanticide, etc.. It be better off for God's character if the bible wasn't true.


The bible is truth, the reason you cant believe God is because Romans 9:16 states He has mercy on whom he wants and hardens whom he wants.


May I ask if you are a Jehovah's Witness? Your posts seem very reminiscent of their teachings. No need to reply if you don't want to - don't want to embarrass you.


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30 Dec 2013, 11:41 am

The Bible contains things such as talking cattle, which I would say is evidence that whoever wrote it was taking some serious hallucinogenics.

Genesis contains many contradictions. There are two separate versions of the creations story.



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30 Dec 2013, 11:46 am

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If the bible is true, then God is unworthy of worship. He is constantly committing or commanding others to commit genocide, infanticide, etc.. It be better off for God's character if the bible wasn't true.


The bible is truth, the reason you cant believe God is because Romans 9:16 states He has mercy on whom he wants and hardens whom he wants.


May I ask if you are a Jehovah's Witness? Your posts seem very reminiscent of their teachings. No need to reply if you don't want to - don't want to embarrass you.


no J.Ws reject the literal fire of hell, which jesus made very clear in several verses thourghout the N.T



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30 Dec 2013, 11:50 am

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If the bible is true, then God is unworthy of worship. He is constantly committing or commanding others to commit genocide, infanticide, etc.. It be better off for God's character if the bible wasn't true.


The bible is truth, the reason you cant believe God is because Romans 9:16 states He has mercy on whom he wants and hardens whom he wants.


May I ask if you are a Jehovah's Witness? Your posts seem very reminiscent of their teachings. No need to reply if you don't want to - don't want to embarrass you.


no J.Ws reject the literal fire of hell, which jesus made very clear in several verses thourghout the N.T


Mormon?


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30 Dec 2013, 12:11 pm

I grew up a fundie in my mom's church. Due to a number of reasons I gradually came to the conclusion that many parts of the bible appear to have been written or manipulated by a cult that wanted to rule by fear and coercion. Because of the teaching of eternal damnation, and that the majority of people, however decent, could end up there, which not even the most notorious of history's dictators could entertain or advocate. No-one would wish such a thing on anyone of your acquaintance, even your worst enemies. (Just for the record, the Koran is just as full of this damn-the-infidels stuff.)

Please indicate to me: if God hardens who he wants, then why? Is this a fair thing in your opinion? Supposing I had twin sisters - I give one a really valuable Christmas present such as a new car, while the other sister gets nothing? How should she feel? And what about so-called free will? What if the president of a nation decided that all the people who voted for the opposition parties should be sentenced to life imprisonment?

Also, because of the lack of clarity in the Scriptures on various issues such as being gay, etc. The original meanings and intents of the Book appear to be lost and have been replaced by writings of people with their own agendas.

Why indeed then, does scripture indicate that God wants everyone to be saved? And there is also no agreement on whether faith aloone is enough, or faith as well as good deeds! Somwhere, we've lost the plot anyway, judging from all the cruelty that has been done in the name of religion.

Indeed there is much violence, genocide and killing iin the Old Testament, which I was not aware of while growing up and only hearing the good ol' Sunday School stories.

If someone argues that the earth is a mere 6000 - 10 000 years old, ask them where was God all the time before that? If there's a God that made all this, isn't he infinitely greater when we realise the Earth is 4.5 billion years old? Please explain how the light from galaxies millions and even billions of light years away could reach us if the entire universe is only a few thousand years old?? What about continental drift, from the time when the land on earth was one continent called Pangaea? I've known that from high school!

I've been making a detailed study of these things for a number of years now. I'm convinced there's an overwhelming universal energy, which can be tapped into and used, for good or bad, and am reminded of the story of the Cherokee grandfather who spoke of the two wolves inside him, one truly good and one bad and selfish, and said that the one who will win is the one he feeds.



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30 Dec 2013, 12:13 pm

TallyMan wrote:
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If the bible is true, then God is unworthy of worship. He is constantly committing or commanding others to commit genocide, infanticide, etc.. It be better off for God's character if the bible wasn't true.


The bible is truth, the reason you cant believe God is because Romans 9:16 states He has mercy on whom he wants and hardens whom he wants.


May I ask if you are a Jehovah's Witness? Your posts seem very reminiscent of their teachings. No need to reply if you don't want to - don't want to embarrass you.


no J.Ws reject the literal fire of hell, which jesus made very clear in several verses thourghout the N.T


Mormon?


nope, they claim that men will be gods of there own planet which is a lie, and they say god makes it a sin to drink coffee/alcohol