Oklahoma bans cities from raising minimum wage

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04 May 2014, 10:57 pm

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The federal government has police power. A state government is nothing more than a charter AT THE CONTINUED LIBERTY of the nation's power. Your state PD operates solely on the discretion of the federal government, and can be overruled or bypassed by the federal government. It could be shut down and replaced by the federal government.

The state government can not overrule a city's authority without having to employ use of force because cities are legitimate political and legal structures. The state government is comprised of local representatives, not a state divided into cities.

Wow, what what a bunch of boot licking butt kissing slave minded drivel this is. "Big brother can I please have some freedoms please!" Everyone who thinks that the people get their authority from the Fed Gov instead of the other way around should all be put on a one way ship to Hawaii with only enough fuel to get half way there.

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04 May 2014, 11:31 pm

/\Why half way to Hawaii? Send them ALL the way to North Korea.

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04 May 2014, 11:41 pm

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The state will definitely kick some butt. You don't boss the state of Oklahoma. They just told the Department of Education to pretty much gth and they will do the same to any little city they see fit within their jurisdiction.

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04 May 2014, 11:45 pm

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When it comes to the private sector, most Democrats that I know oppose Mega Corp. and support small Mom & Pop shops. There's a good argument for that: lots of work doesn't require a huge organization, so why build a huge company except to stomp on smaller competitors?

OK, so let's apply that to government: Why have a country as big as the US In the first place?

1) War. It helps to be big, for the same reason that it helped a brontosaurus or T. Rex to be big. That only applies to tangling with other empires, so there's no reason for the peaceful functions of government to be scaled up at the same time. The only reason to do that is lust for power over other people. The WWII shore batteries that defended the West Coast could only point one way: out to sea. They couldn't be turned around against our own people. The military branch of the US government was designed to be outward facing as well. If we need national social services, it might be smarter to place that in a fourth branch of government, separately elected. Especially one separate from the military.

2) Free trade. And we already have it.

3) Disaster relief and preparedness. Again, we already have it: FEMA, CDC, NIH, National Gurad, etc.

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05 May 2014, 1:03 am

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source, http://www.dol.gov/minwage/minwage-gdp-history.htm

So the minimum wage now is twice what it was in 1950, in inflation-adjusted dollars?

yes, based on the government's numbers, previously the "real minimum wage" was much less than now.

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05 May 2014, 1:38 am

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sonofghandi wrote:

You missed the point. I was rephrasing your own argument about how a larger government (state) is perfectly justified in telling a smaller one under its jurisdiction to keep quiet and do what they're told. You can't complain about government over-reach and then justify it in the same post.

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05 May 2014, 7:53 am

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Oklahoma sucks anyways and is a boring state just get a job in a bordering state.

To avoid more of the same avoid Kansas, Arkansas, Texas, New Mexico, and Missouri.

Hey,I live in Arkansas,boring is good!You want excitement, visit the Ukraine right now.

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05 May 2014, 7:55 am

http://www.policymic.com/articles/88711 ... nimum-wage

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05 May 2014, 8:55 am

sonofghandi wrote:

The federal government has police power. A state government is nothing more than a charter AT THE CONTINUED LIBERTY of the nation's power.

That statement could only come from either a deliberate effort to provoke a response or total ignorance of the US Constitution.

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So that makes discrimination based on the way you are born quite moral, does it?

Don't confuse a discussion about what is moral with a discussion of what the law allows.

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05 May 2014, 10:49 am

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http://www.policymic.com/articles/88711/one-year-later-here-s-what-san-jose-looks-like-after-raising-the-minimum-wage

Hooray for San Jose!

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05 May 2014, 11:02 am

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sonofghandi wrote:

So that makes discrimination based on the way you are born quite moral, does it?

Don't confuse a discussion about what is moral with a discussion of what the law allows.

ditto

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05 May 2014, 11:18 am

zer0netgain wrote:

sonofghandi wrote:

The federal government has police power. A state government is nothing more than a charter AT THE CONTINUED LIBERTY of the nation's power.

That statement could only come from either a deliberate effort to provoke a response or total ignorance of the US Constitution.

That entire post was a rephrasing of the earlier post and in an attempt to point out the absurdity of an "up with state rights, down with city rights" kind of attitude.

That particular piece was to highlight the poor logic behind arguing that cities are only allowed to exist at the state's discretion.

I suppose I should have tried to just be literal and point out all the flaws instead of show how silly the arguments were, especially for someone who complains of government over-reach, but it was easier and quicker to copy/paste and just change a few words here and there.

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05 May 2014, 11:49 am

Seattle is supposed to be raising minimum wage to $15 and I guess that sends goose bumps on the flesh of the ones in charge here who cannot stand the idea of someone making $15 and hour. The horrors of it!

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05 May 2014, 12:06 pm

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Now I only wish the germ of that idea crosses the Cascades to Spokane and the surrounding area, where I reside.

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05 May 2014, 12:11 pm

/\ Yeah, if you want to break the backs of small business and trigger inflation.
"Hey, people are making more money so now we cash in and raise prices!!"

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05 May 2014, 12:12 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

My God, they could even buy some food!!

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