Opinions on abortion?

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Religious View

In my younger days, I was pro-choice. Now that I'm more religious, I am against abortion. I also feel that anyone who is religious, should not be for abortion. It is clearly stated in the Bible that you shall not kill. People try to get around this by saying when they believe a baby is a real person - whatever helps them sleep at night.

Political View

I do not think abortion should be forced on the people who do not believe in it and this would include taxes. If people want abortions, then it should be paid out of pocket just like any other personal choices (cigarettes or alcohol).

Disclaimer: Tim, I'm not meaning to attack your views at all, just to discuss them from a different viewpoint.

If a woman is shallow enough, or just self-aware and self-obsessed enough, that she would reject a child because sees it as competition for attention ("it will no longer be all about *me*"), I think she's likely to do a horrible job of raising any child she's forced to bear. It's possible becoming a mother will improve her as a person, but it's by no means a guarantee, and I'd be scared of what that hypothetical child would suffer growing up with that kind of mother.

If a woman is responsible enough to use birth control properly, thus demonstrating that she doesn't want children or doesn't feel capable of raising them right now, but her birth control fails and she winds up pregnant - again, that child isn't going to grow up in a loving, secure environment.

If a woman is too immature to make sensible choices regarding sex and birth control, I think by definition she's not mature enough to raise a child.

I hear a lot of people who oppose abortion saying, "Then she shouldn't be having sex!". (I haven't heard you say that, Tim, I'm going off on a tangent now.) I only hear this said about women - but women can't get pregnant alone. If all the men who oppose abortion decided they would abstain from sex, or choose sexual activities that can't result in pregnancy...I suspect there would be a significant impact on the number of women seeking abortion.

Agreed. As a woman who was told she would never be able to have children, and who has had multiple pregnancies end in miscarriage, I don't think I could ever have chosen to have an abortion myself. My two living children are precious beyond words to me.

And I'm still firmly pro-choice. No woman should be forced to carry a pregnancy she doesn't want or can't afford. A child should be born because it is wanted, not because backward superstitions and ignorant legislators decided the mother's right to bodily integrity can be suspended while she's incubating a fetus.

Upon reading my post, I didn't think the "immaturity" argument through, and I agree with you that those who are that way shouldn't be raising a child. I think they should try to be on the most powerful birth control there is, though.

My apologies.

About the "a child should be born because it is wanted" - there are a lot of "unwanted" people that I'd like to do something about that have really done some crappy things. Can we find a way to abort them? That would make room so that some of these babies could have a chance to show they could be wanted by others even if their mother didn't want them.

Do you also believe that wars should be paid for out-of-pocket by politicians, so that violence isn't forced on the people who do not believe in it?

For that matter, given that some people believe (based on religious faith) that blood transfusions violate God's will, we should also insist that our tax money cannot be used to subsidize insurance coverage that pays for transfusions, right?

Actually, I'm not for war because I'm against killing and I pay taxes, so I too, would be paying for anything that tax money is used for. If you can figure a way out of "paying for war" then let me know what that is.

There should be no mandated vasectomies.

There should be no mandated vasectomies.

Abortion is not "killing a newborn"; it's excising a zygote. Read some biology.
Don't like abortion? Don't have one.
Don't have a uterus? STFU

Don't like murder? Don't commit one...

An idiotic slogan. I can't be bothered with this argument again, my views are well known here.

Most powerful birth control is sterilization.

Speaking of which, do men here believe at some point it should be the man's place to get a vasectomy?

Abortion is not murder, since the definition of murder is the illegal taking of life -- much like war and executions.

I wasn't drawing that particular parallel. I'm just saying, the slogan is moronic.

How about don't like robbery? Don't commit one.