The Rich is causing our misery

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How exactly can the disabled and the unemployed overthrow the system by themselves?

Saying that Rapists know that their victims don't want to be raped is not "rape culture apologetics".

If you were in a socialist country you would be impoverished like the vast majority of people there.

Scandinavian countries are capitalist the means of production are owned by private individuals that is capitalism, they are more economically free than the US.

The workers have a moral right to work for someone else if they wish. They have no moral right to steal someone else's rightfully earned property.

It literally will not pay for everything the US spent $945 billion last year alone of social security. Billionaires represent a drop in the ocean of global wealth. Those immigrants are going to grow old too and need pensions, that means the population will need to increase even further to pay for it.

Well ... now this is just turning into an argument over definitions.

The Scandinavians have access to free healthcare and free post-secondary education. They also live under democratic governments that actually care about the opinions of the people. People in the modern political climate often call that socialism.

If we aren't going to call that socialism, then that's fine. It is what it is and it's a good system.



Who do you think pays for universal health care?

Scandinavian countries are not socialist by any reasonable definition. Universal health care is paid for by the majority of citizens taxes are higher for everyone not just the rich.

In that case, the Scandinavians still have some work to do.

The rich should be paying for universal healthcare. Why should the middle class pay a cent?

Because they benefit from it?

Actually I'm kinda sorry I wrote I want a dictatorship. The thing is, I getting really tired of this hatred against those recieving disability/unemployment benefits.

The hatred is throughout the entire western world. From U.S. to U.K, from Sweden and Denmark to Germany and France. Everybody hates the disabled.

That's why I wanted to fight back from desperation.

This thread is not about democracy vs. dictatorship or welfare vs. capitalism but survival or starvation.

I just don't feel this hatred towards the disabled to be honest I think most people just pretend we don't exist. Increases in welfare spending would not go towards the disabled since we are such a small voting block.

You should be far more worried about euthanasia becoming slowly legalised and culturally acceptable. It won't be long before everyone not self-supporting is under overwhelming social pressure to take a short one way trip to the clinic...

What gives you the right to deny others the right to a peaceful death? Forcing people to live when they don't want to is cruel. The social pressure argument has no basis in reality.

Actually, I am pro-euthanasia (if voluntary). But I do agree that social pressure should be dealt with from the beginning if legalized.

It must NEVER replace welfare. And I really do fear that euthanasia will replace social welfare.

"Can't keep up during work assessment? Stop complaining - You can always get euthanasia!"

- that's for real. It happens in The Netherlands.

At the same time the netherlands abolished/re-assessed everyone on disability pension in 2005, euthanasia rules were loosened.

soylent green

The rich aren’t causing our misery; they’re just letting us be miserable.

by not carrying their fair share in society, they are worsening conditions for the 99%.

Who are you to oppose socialism? Could it be that attempting to do a good thing (helping the poor) has historically had disastrous unintended consequences and may well do so again if tried? It's true that we do not have the same level of data for easy and legal euthanasia, compared to socialism's repeated failures, but it is perfectly fine to speculate what might happen and oppose it, just as there were opponents before the socialist disaster.
Social pressure is a real thing. There is quite a bit of data about television's effect on suicide statistics. Some drama has a man commit suicide by putting his head under on a train track... data shows this not only increases the relative number of suicides-by-train in the following weeks, but the absolute number rises too. A very worrying correlation whose mechanism is easy to comprehend.
I'm not saying we will be living in Logan's Run by the next year, but there will be a slow, creeping change of some sort in the culture. I've already seen news items on this from when it was made legal in Switzerland. An old person gets some fatal, but slow acting disease. They parade them sympathetically on television - they say "I want to die with dignity" "I don't want to be a burden on my family" "My inheritance won't get eaten up keeping me alive." The news item is sympathetic and we are supposed to applaud such bravery.

"Dying with dignity" = good, applause
"Not being a burden" = good, applause
"Better for family" = good, applause

Unless we are incredibly careful, the message sent here is "staying alive when disabled" = burden and "being a burden" = bad. Our desire to be kind and understanding to those in pain may quite unintentionally create a very twisted cultural pressure. We've quickly transitioned in the last century from a society where suicide is a mortal sin, to one where it is good in some circumstances and never a cowardly act. A little more scepticism please.