Thoughts on a Canadian Coalition Government crisis
I don't know... reading the way the post was written, it blunt but truthful.
If we are going to talk about an area in repression becoming independent, how about Kosovo. They had a large amount of Autonomy, but Milosovic took away most of it, and in doing so caused the Albanians and other ethnicities do feel threated resulting in the breakup. Towards the end of the 90's, the backwards Serbs tried to genocide the Kosovars. Fortunately, NATO stepped in and put the kibosh on that idea.
I know I am not neutral when it comes to Serbia. I am part Hungarian and Slovak, and most people of those two groups were pushed out of Vojvodina, and area with a high number of both.
Edit: From Wikipedia
What does prorogue parliament mean, Vigilans? It doesn't sound good, and for all I know about Canada, from research, and talking to a friend in High School, I never heard that term before.
Edit 2: Polling done in the past several days shows evenly divided opinion among Coalition and Re-Election. This is a migraine causing problem, and will be very hard to solve.
I can't describe the specifics but its something many former British colonies have as part of their government. I believe it involves suspending parliament for a period of time, or preventing them from making decisions. Therefore it would not be able to make a vote of no confidence and dismiss Harper's government for at least a year.
HAHAHAH..... life is alreday difficult for those who only speaks french. If i would decice tomorrow to stop speaking english, I, as thousands of other QC FRENCH NATIVE, would lose our jobs. Hey, i'm not even able to beeing served decently in my own language when i go to the grocery. I'm sorry if you find we're making life hard for you, it's because we're trying to ease it a bit from hundreds of years of oppression from you.... so gimme a break and stop your propaganda
the referendum was lost because Canada cheated. They spent millions, they reduced the plane ticket's prices so thousands of, opportunistic, canadians could come here and manifest... Yes, they did that.....
And BTW, ..... BC wants to separate, and Ontario too. This country is dead. I don't give it 10 more years....
so i agree what is happening now is not a good thing for 'CANADA' but it is VERY good for what will survive after.....
I imagine very well 4 or 5 new countries, all independant.... and no more canada
Sounds like the "Nine Nations of North America" isn't that far-fetched.

gulf coast area, particularly around new orleans, shouldn't be listed as dixie. totally different culture.
Also, Virginia, and North Carolina to a lesser extent are becoming more like the Northeast.
Also, Coyote, having a persecution complex doesn't help your arguements.
which part of the northeast? they remind me more of west penn or east ohio in most parts.
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I wouldn't say that map is really that accurate. I mean, it leaves out Alberta which is far more populous then Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Also, Anticosti Island at the mouth of the St Lawrence and the Gaspe region of Eastern Quebec are linguistically and culturally distinct from the neighboring provinces (Quebecois) so them being part of the eastern maritime nation doesn't make much sense.
Parts of Europe do it frequently. It depends on the electoral system - Ireland has a different voting system and has coalitions but they're fairly constant (FF+PD). Not so in a place like the UK though.
All the Canucks ever seem to talk about is elections. I remember when I was there they were talking about it.
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I miss the Pierre Elliot Trudeau years topic
Even that awful October 1970 crisis.

At any rate, on December 4, at 9:30 ET, the GG will be meeting the PM. (She has had a case of jet lag, no wonder). If Parliament is prorogued (suspended) I hope she puts conditions on it for Harper to follow, according to constitutional expert Errol Mendes (stated in an interview on CTV Newsnet). Harper has clearly lost the confidence of the House.
I hope Madame GG can deal with Harper. I do not envy her daunting task. I know she is up to it but he is a piece of work to deal with.
Stay tuned!
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HAHAHAH..... life is alreday difficult for those who only speaks french. If i would decice tomorrow to stop speaking english, I, as thousands of other QC FRENCH NATIVE, would lose our jobs. Hey, i'm not even able to beeing served decently in my own language when i go to the grocery. I'm sorry if you find we're making life hard for you, it's because we're trying to ease it a bit from hundreds of years of oppression from you.... so gimme a break and stop your propaganda
the referendum was lost because Canada cheated. They spent millions, they reduced the plane ticket's prices so thousands of, opportunistic, canadians could come here and manifest... Yes, they did that.....
And BTW, ..... BC wants to separate, and Ontario too. This country is dead. I don't give it 10 more years....
so i agree what is happening now is not a good thing for 'CANADA' but it is VERY good for what will survive after.....
I imagine very well 4 or 5 new countries, all independant.... and no more canada
Sounds like the "Nine Nations of North America" isn't that far-fetched.

gulf coast area, particularly around new orleans, shouldn't be listed as dixie. totally different culture.
All of Alberta should not be empty quarter due to the oil and farm land. 10% of Canadians live there. The top half of Saskatchewan produces 21% of the worlds uranium and is rich in diamonds. The tops of Ontario and Quebec on the other hand contain zilch other than lumber that is hard to harvest(as far as I know).
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Watching and waiting topic
At this moment Harper and the GG have been incommunicado in her office at Rideau Hall for over an hour (10:30 ET) on Thursday, December 4. We are still waiting for The PM to crawl out and make a statement. Like watching a tree grow.
If the GG does not concede to his request to prorogue Parliament he may resign , but another election?
Lots of instability, both economic and political.
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GG has agreed to prorogue (suspend) Parliament until January 26, 2009 topic
As it happens on CTV NewsNet
Just heard from CTV's Robert Fife of this news. I am now waiting for Harper to come to the podium set up just outside a business entrance of Rideau Hall to anounce details of the 2 hour:o meeting between him and our Governor General.
Harper's days are numbered.
I think the coalition is out, at least I hope so.
Just watched the Harper speech. Robert Fife expressed hope in Harper's comments hat he would work with the national parties to work on the economy, and will have a new budget ready on January 26, 2009. How he will do that when Parliament is suspended is another question. Haper's cuts were the meanest cut.
Gilles Duceppe, of course, condemned everything Harper said, and stated en Francais that Harper and his government does not have the support of Quebecers.
In English, Duceppe said that Harper does not have the confidence of Canadians. I think Gilles is angry that the coalition is toast, and his grab for what ever he can get is gone.
Federalist approaches are the best strategies for government and the economy. I hope when Michael Ignatieff becomes PM that this approach will be practiced.
Jack Layton said that Harper is just trying to protect his own job. Naturally. Layton has no confidence or trust in the Harper conservatives. He said there is no economic stimulus to help working Canadians.
I am waiting for Dion. Maybe he is still stuck, out of focus, in the cellphone!!
Dion has escaped. Here he is, on CTV NewsNet:
Harper has railed to build consensus and bridges. Challenge is for him to listen the the "coalition"'s ideas. Harper must go unless he makes a "momumental change."
Mike Duffy thinks the door may be open for a concilliatory move, by Harper et al. Tory? Will cooler heads prevail? Good old fashioned Canadian Common Sense?
Stay tuned.
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I miss the Pierre Elliot Trudeau years topic
Even that awful October 1970 crisis.

At any rate, on December 4, at 9:30 ET, the GG will be meeting the PM. (She has had a case of jet lag, no wonder). If Parliament is prorogued (suspended) I hope she puts conditions on it for Harper to follow, according to constitutional expert Errol Mendes (stated in an interview on CTV Newsnet). Harper has clearly lost the confidence of the House.
I hope Madame GG can deal with Harper. I do not envy her daunting task. I know she is up to it but he is a piece of work to deal with.
Stay tuned!
Trudeau was kind of overrated IMO. Though I do think he handled the October Crisis pretty well. Speaking of the October Crisis, one of the FLQ terrorists who basically got a slap on the wrist after the murdered and castrated Pierre Laporte is a member of the PQ and goes around Quebec making speeches. Go figure?
I miss the Pierre Elliot Trudeau years topic
Even that awful October 1970 crisis.

At any rate, on December 4, at 9:30 ET, the GG will be meeting the PM. (She has had a case of jet lag, no wonder). If Parliament is prorogued (suspended) I hope she puts conditions on it for Harper to follow, according to constitutional expert Errol Mendes (stated in an interview on CTV Newsnet). Harper has clearly lost the confidence of the House.
I hope Madame GG can deal with Harper. I do not envy her daunting task. I know she is up to it but he is a piece of work to deal with.
Stay tuned!
Trudeau was kind of overrated IMO. Though I do think he handled the October Crisis pretty well. Speaking of the October Crisis, one of the FLQ terrorists who basically got a slap on the wrist after the murdered and castrated Pierre Laporte is a member of the PQ and goes around Quebec making speeches. Go figure?
Well, it tells you what kind of people the Independence movement likes.
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Deep seated problems topic
After all those years...and I had not heard abut this guy, a member of the PQ. He must have been pardoned years ago.
This global financial crisis should unite all of us now, according to the opinions of many Canadians. Now there is a time out, so to speak, so tempers can cool off and MPs can return to their constituents and deal with matters there, and hen bring back ideas to Parliament. That much anticipated budget had better reflect the concerns of us ordinary Canadians.
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Thoughts are still with me topic
I will be reporting on this topic once again at the end of January when Parliament returns.
See you then. Stay tuned!!
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Leadership, not a coalition topic
Apparently Dion is doing his exit thing before the end of January...just in time for Harper's government to fall! There will be two main contenders, now that Leblanc is dropping out. (Piano man) Bob Rae and Mike (Eyebrows) Ignatieff.
Should be interesting. Better to have a two person race, as not so many choices. (There are other contenders, but they will not get far. Maybe in years to come.)
Stay tuned.
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sartresue, wishful thinking?
Six weeks from now there will be a budget vote. All the parties have an opportunity to contribute to that. How each party acts in this time will weight heavily on the public mind.
At the end of that time, if the coalition parties have contributed, when the vote comes in, they should probably support it, or look like terrible hypocrites. If they vote for the bill, the conservative government will persist.
If, in that time, they have decided not to contribute, it makes sense that they will reject the budget and the government will fall. We will have a general election in which they begin with a two fold strike against them: they hindered the prosperity of Canadians... for political gains. They will die at the polls.
Furthermore, the liberals, at least, are destitute. Last election they required a 90 thousand dollar entry fee from their running candidates to help support campaign costs. Do you really think they have money for another election?
I suppose they could ask the governor general for permission to form the government, but she denied it once, why would she now say yes? They have twice been denied the legitimacy of forming a government by the electorate, and once made overtures of side stepping an election in a bid to seize power. A good number of Canadians support a coalition, but only if it DOESNT involve a deal with the BQ. But the cooperation of the BQ would be vital to make a coalition government viable.
So no, as I see it, the conservatives will persist through the next confidence vote. The coalition is dead in the water and the liberals cannot afford another election. They are already deeply in debt.
In the next few weeks we will see what they plan. They will either scurry for campaign funds AND work on a private budget bill, or they cooperate with the conservatives in finding a consensus for Canadians. We will likely know in a week even.
Whats your analysis?
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