Death penalty. For or against?

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Are you in favour of the death penalty?

Yes in all cases of murder	9%	[ 5 ]
Yes but only in brutal murder cases	11%	[ 6 ]
Yes but only if a murder is pre-meditated	5%	[ 3 ]
Hang em all, don't need any expensive prisons then	9%	[ 5 ]
No because sometimes the innocent are killed	14%	[ 8 ]
Never. There is no place for it in a civilised society	44%	[ 25 ]
Other? Explain.	9%	[ 5 ]

Total votes : 57

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31 Jan 2009, 12:09 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

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Nonsense. I'm a determinist, so I deny that people can be morally responsible for their actions.

But not a universalist? Interesting, so does this mean that people go to hell under your religion for no reason?

Determinism is a philosophy, I think. I wonder what it means ... :chin:

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31 Jan 2009, 12:09 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

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Nonsense. I'm a determinist, so I deny that people can be morally responsible for their actions.

But not a universalist? Interesting, so does this mean that people go to hell under your religion for no reason?

Have I ever explicitly denied universalism? I remain agnostic on that question, and I think I've expressed that several times in the past.

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31 Jan 2009, 12:11 am

slowmutant wrote:

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

Orwell wrote:

Nonsense. I'm a determinist, so I deny that people can be morally responsible for their actions.

But not a universalist? Interesting, so does this mean that people go to hell under your religion for no reason?

Determinism is a philosophy, I think. I wonder what it means ... :chin:

Determinism is the denial of free will. Free will lacks a mechanism, and it also lacks a usable definition. Determinism holds that human action is based on a combination of genetic predisposition, internalized beliefs and prior experience (which would be contingent on the environment) as well as potentially some random influences.

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31 Jan 2009, 12:12 am

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Determinism is the denial of free will.

Then it's also the denial of life itself.

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31 Jan 2009, 12:26 am

slowmutant wrote:

Then it's also the denial of life itself.

No, that's Cotard's syndrome.

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31 Jan 2009, 12:49 am

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I am for the death penalty, but with provisions.

1) It must be a heinous crime that shocks the conscience.
2) The accused displays no remorse.
3) The accused is able to distinguish right from wrong.

Not trying to be snide but doesn't the death penalty go against the teachings of christ and therefore christianity

Separation of Church & State, remember?

I am talking about your and other christians views on the death penalty.

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31 Jan 2009, 12:57 am

I voted other because I agree with the death penalty but disagree with how it is handled. I think you should get put to death the EXACT way you kill your victims. I know there would be loopholes but that is justice IMO.

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31 Jan 2009, 1:16 am

history_of_psychiatry wrote:

That makes you exactly as wrong as the person you are murdering

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31 Jan 2009, 2:25 am

DentArthurDent wrote:

history_of_psychiatry wrote:

That makes you exactly as wrong as the person you are murdering

Lethal execution is homicide, but it is not murder. Lethal execution is sanction by law and it is bound in its application by a trial procedure with rules of evidence. Unfortunately no system is perfect and occasionally an innocent person is put to death. Which is why I favor penal colonies, rather than terminal execution.

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31 Jan 2009, 2:54 am

keep aklive for their organs?

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31 Jan 2009, 2:54 am

I think the whole concept "penalty", "guild", "justice" etc. is wrong totally wrong and based on nothing else than false emotions and cultural tradition.

We had to see "crime" as an accident, with a human how did behave in a way that she/he caused intolerable harm to others; so the question must be not "Who to punish?", but "How to avoid?" or even "How to repair?".

Capital punishment (like the most parts of our justice system) does not work here. Therefore I am against and think we shall find also instead of prisons a more intelligent way of dealing with such problems.

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31 Jan 2009, 3:05 am

I could never support an imperfect system.

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31 Jan 2009, 3:34 am

Dussel wrote:

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Capital punishment (like the most parts of our justice system) does not work here. Therefore I am against and think we shall find also instead of prisons a more intelligent way of dealing with such problems.

Prison should only house those that cannot safely remain at large in the community, and should not be used as a form of punishment, there are far more effective ways to punish people and keep them productive.

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31 Jan 2009, 3:56 am

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I could never support an imperfect system.

That means you cannot support any system.

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31 Jan 2009, 8:45 am

Dussel wrote:

We had to see "crime" as an accident, with a human how did behave in a way that she/he caused intolerable harm to others; so the question must be not "Who to punish?", but "How to avoid?" or even "How to repair?".

YES. Instead of just killing people who cause problems, we should try to figure out what's wrong and see if we can fix it.

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31 Jan 2009, 9:11 am

Orwell wrote:

Dussel wrote:

YES. Instead of just killing people who cause problems, we should try to figure out what's wrong and see if we can fix it.

I totally agree with your sentiment but the whole criminal system where isolating a group of people in a violently anti-social culture only intensifies their hatred of society and killing them is a solution that somehow gets rid of the problem for a few of them and satisfies the sentiment of revenge that is one of the elements of what is deemed justice. Unfortunately death sentences are very expensive but so far society seems to feel it is worth the price.

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