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29 Jan 2017, 1:32 am

Me: I believe being a virulent bigots deserves real life consequences
You: um, sweaty, if you punch a neo Nazi you're just as bad as a neo Nazi yourself (:

Christ, do you even critically think about what you say ever?


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29 Jan 2017, 1:35 am

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Spence, that dumbass that got punched (and who I hope gets punched every morning when he leaves his house), believes in ethnic cleansing.


And apparently you believe in political violence, a hallmark of a certain Teutonic party of the last century.

I believe if someone is a piece of s**t they deserve to be punched, yes. Are you suggesting I politely tell a neo Nazi who believes we should "gently ethnically cleanse" black people he should change his ways? Personally, as far as I'm concerned, if you believe in virulently and knowingly racist, a sexual predator, commit domestic abuse (spousal/partner or child), or anything else like that you deserve to be punched in the face every morning as you leave your personal dwelling.

But what if the person is genuinely nice and treats family and friends well but has just been lead to believe something that is wrong due to being misguided.

LMAO if you believe in ethnic cleansing you're a gigantic piece of s**t. There's no getting around that. There's no way you cannot be aware that ethnic cleansing is vile. So yes they still deserve to be punched <i>since they believe that killing off an entire group of people based on their ethnicity is a good thing.</i>


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29 Jan 2017, 1:38 am

lidsmichelle wrote:
Me: I believe being a virulent bigots deserves real life consequences
You: um, sweaty, if you punch a neo Nazi you're just as bad as a neo Nazi yourself (:

Christ, do you even critically think about what you say ever?
But why should being a bigot be punishable. The person hasn't done anything wrong if anything they might have tried to be good but simply see another race as being evil. The only thing they have done badly is to misbelieve something.



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29 Jan 2017, 1:40 am

Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Me: I believe being a virulent bigots deserves real life consequences
You: um, sweaty, if you punch a neo Nazi you're just as bad as a neo Nazi yourself (:

Christ, do you even critically think about what you say ever?
But why should being a bigot be punishable. The person hasn't done anything wrong if anything they might have tried to be good but simply see another race as being evil. The only thing they have done badly is to misbelieve something.

That is literally the dumbest thing I've seen in this thread congratulations.


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29 Jan 2017, 1:42 am

lidsmichelle wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Me: I believe being a virulent bigots deserves real life consequences
You: um, sweaty, if you punch a neo Nazi you're just as bad as a neo Nazi yourself (:

Christ, do you even critically think about what you say ever?
But why should being a bigot be punishable. The person hasn't done anything wrong if anything they might have tried to be good but simply see another race as being evil. The only thing they have done badly is to misbelieve something.

That is literally the dumbest thing I've seen in this thread congratulations.
Why?

How can someone be totally responsible for their beliefs if they have been mislead and convinced to believe that it is truth.

Also I am a Hillary supporter.



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29 Jan 2017, 1:50 am

Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Me: I believe being a virulent bigots deserves real life consequences
You: um, sweaty, if you punch a neo Nazi you're just as bad as a neo Nazi yourself (:

Christ, do you even critically think about what you say ever?
But why should being a bigot be punishable. The person hasn't done anything wrong if anything they might have tried to be good but simply see another race as being evil. The only thing they have done badly is to misbelieve something.

That is literally the dumbest thing I've seen in this thread congratulations.
Why?

How can someone be totally responsible for their beliefs if they have been mislead and convinced to believe that it is truth.

Also I am a Hillary supporter.

Congrats? Another mealy mouthed liberal who supports Nazis over the people the nazis want to harm? Surprise surprise? I may have beliefs that align with liberals but I refuse to affiliate myself with you people because you literally will defend Nazis and I believe people who want to oppress and kill others (especially groups that are already minority groups) deserve to face consequences in their lives.


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29 Jan 2017, 1:55 am

lidsmichelle wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Me: I believe being a virulent bigots deserves real life consequences
You: um, sweaty, if you punch a neo Nazi you're just as bad as a neo Nazi yourself (:

Christ, do you even critically think about what you say ever?
But why should being a bigot be punishable. The person hasn't done anything wrong if anything they might have tried to be good but simply see another race as being evil. The only thing they have done badly is to misbelieve something.

That is literally the dumbest thing I've seen in this thread congratulations.
Why?

How can someone be totally responsible for their beliefs if they have been mislead and convinced to believe that it is truth.

Also I am a Hillary supporter.

Congrats? Another mealy mouthed liberal who supports Nazis over the people the nazis want to harm? Surprise surprise? I may have beliefs that align with liberals but I refuse to affiliate myself with you people because you literally will defend Nazis and I believe people who want to oppress and kill others (especially groups that are already minority groups) deserve to face consequences in their lives.
The guy is an idiot, I agree with you on that.

The point I am trying to make is that when you have a misguided set of beliefs you are not pure evil you just have a way of thinking that is wrong and ignorant something you can't always control. It doesn't mean you are horrible since this person may care very much for their family and friends.

Why am I wrong?



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29 Jan 2017, 1:59 am

The thing about Richard Spencer is that he is just a guy and he has no capacity to do harm to others since he is not the head of the country.

If Richard Spencer was say running for president and looked like he would win then extreme measures may be warranted. I personally think pulling out a shotgun and blowing his brains out would be warranted.



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29 Jan 2017, 2:05 am

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The thing about Richard Spencer is that he is just a guy and he has no capacity to do harm to others since he is not the head of the country.

If Richard Spencer was say running for president and looked like he would win then extreme measures may be warranted. I personally think pulling out a shotgun and blowing his brains out would be warranted.

There's a huge difference between punching someone and killing them lol.

Though to be fair, like with Trump and Pence it wouldn't make me shed a tear or lose any sleep if someone did that to him either.


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29 Jan 2017, 2:06 am

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I believe if someone is a piece of s**t they deserve to be punched, yes.


I guess you better hope that no one else decides that you're a piece of sh*t that deserves to be punched, you won't have much of an argument about why they shouldn't be allowed to beat you up because they disagree with you.

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Are you suggesting I politely tell a neo Nazi who believes we should "gently ethnically cleanse" black people he should change his ways?


That's how civilized people do it.

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Personally, as far as I'm concerned, if you believe in virulently and knowingly racist, a sexual predator, commit domestic abuse (spousal/partner or child), or anything else like that you deserve to be punched in the face every morning as you leave your personal dwelling.


So, you want to subject people you find odious to violence, yet you're calling them Nazis...


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29 Jan 2017, 2:09 am

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If Richard Spencer was say running for president and looked like he would win then extreme measures may be warranted. I personally think pulling out a shotgun and blowing his brains out would be warranted.


This is literally how terrorism happens, people so convinced of their rightness that "extreme measures" are warranted.


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29 Jan 2017, 2:10 am

lidsmichelle wrote:
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The thing about Richard Spencer is that he is just a guy and he has no capacity to do harm to others since he is not the head of the country.

If Richard Spencer was say running for president and looked like he would win then extreme measures may be warranted. I personally think pulling out a shotgun and blowing his brains out would be warranted.

There's a huge difference between punching someone and killing them lol.

Though to be fair, like with Trump and Pence it wouldn't make me shed a tear or lose any sleep if someone did that to him either.
I don't want a White Supremacist to be President not in a million years.

Every genocide and atrocity and in history has been done over a false perception of the other side as evil which has been promoted. The evil was not always in the perpetrators to be honest it was in the actions. They were trying to do good by eliminating a terrible evil that could destroy their family, only they were ignorant to the fact they were doing something horrible. How can one be evil when they try to do good and have empathy?



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29 Jan 2017, 2:12 am

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I believe if someone is a piece of s**t they deserve to be punched, yes.


I guess you better hope that no one else decides that you're a piece of sh*t that deserves to be punched, you won't have much of an argument about why they shouldn't be allowed to beat you up because they disagree with you.

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Are you suggesting I politely tell a neo Nazi who believes we should "gently ethnically cleanse" black people he should change his ways?


That's how civilized people do it.

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Personally, as far as I'm concerned, if you believe in virulently and knowingly racist, a sexual predator, commit domestic abuse (spousal/partner or child), or anything else like that you deserve to be punched in the face every morning as you leave your personal dwelling.


So, you want to subject people you find odious to violence, yet you're calling them Nazis...

My guy Richard Spence knows damn well ethnic cleansing is evil and immoral. He has an online presence and there's no way that multiple people have not tried to talk to him about ths s**t. If you think politely telling someone who believes in ethnic cleansing that their beliefs are wrong and harmful is going to change a damn thing you're a moron.


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29 Jan 2017, 2:13 am

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If Richard Spencer was say running for president and looked like he would win then extreme measures may be warranted. I personally think pulling out a shotgun and blowing his brains out would be warranted.


This is literally how terrorism happens, people so convinced of their rightness that "extreme measures" are warranted.
And terrorism can be warranted like with the person who blew up Hitler's trousers.

If Oswald Mosley or some other white supremacist was going to be Prime Minister I seriously think someone may have to point the gun and shoot for the good of the country.



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29 Jan 2017, 2:23 am

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My guy Richard Spence knows damn well ethnic cleansing is evil and immoral. He has an online presence and there's no way that multiple people have not tried to talk to him about ths s**t. If you think politely telling someone who believes in ethnic cleansing that their beliefs are wrong and harmful is going to change a damn thing you're a moron.


Bam!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bla ... 3a08f495fc

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In 1983, after Davis played a gig in an all-white venue in Frederick, Maryland, an audience member approached him to compliment him on his piano playing. The two struck up a friendly conversation, and Davis was surprised to discover the man was a card-carrying member of the KKK. Through this man, Davis got in touch with Roger Kelly, the former Imperial Wizard of the white supremacist organization. Over time, Kelly and Davis became close and Kelly eventually quit the hate group.

“He no longer believes today what he said,” Davis told Love+Radio. “And when he quit the Klan he gave me his robe and hood, which is the robe of the Imperial Wizard.”

Davis says that 12 other Klansmen followed suit.


Think he would have gotten results like that by punching people in the face? Maybe you want to punch people in the face, and that says more about you than the people you want to punch.


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29 Jan 2017, 2:58 am

Quick question was my logic I used here a little garbled?