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13 Jun 2009, 10:35 am

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I know that to be a fact because I know that I never got to choose, I just grew up being attracted to males, with zero attraction for females. If people had a choice, then I (being a people) would have had such a choice.

And that's why they say we have theory of mind issues...



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13 Jun 2009, 10:49 am

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It is not a choice. I know that from my own personal experience, not just because someone told me so.

Anyone who thinks it is a choice doesn't know what they're talking about on this particular point.

I really don't mean that as a put-down, but as a simple statement of fact.

'Your own personal experience' also happens to be a 'simple statement of fact'. How convenient.

Since you seem to know what you're talking about, you could elaborate what you mean.


I know that to be a fact because I know that I never got to choose, I just grew up being attracted to males, with zero attraction for females. If people had a choice, then I (being a people) would have had such a choice.

Wait, I thought you were arguing that there was a choice.

/facepalm

Now I will be ashamed forever. :?


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13 Jun 2009, 11:24 am

lets say your straight, think about being gay for a moment, can you do it? You think you could give being gay a try?

Now personally I am a straight male, but if I cannot imagine myself on the other side of the fence, I cant expect them to be able to choose to be 'straight' either.

If you cant imagine choosing to be gay, then its impossible to choose, just like choosing to be straight, you dont choose it, you just are.



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13 Jun 2009, 11:36 am

Of course, this is the central point in the whole debate over homosexuality. If it is a choice, then we can be criticized for making a "wrong" choice. If it isn't a choice, then all the anti-gay arguments fall apart, and they can be condemned as being intolerant and bigoted.

Frankly, I don't understand how anti-gay people can contend that it is a choice, since none of them got a choice either. Obviously they haven't considered their viewpoint logically. Since the proof that their argument is false exists in their own lives, I consider these people to be irrational.



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13 Jun 2009, 12:02 pm

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Frankly, I don't understand how anti-gay people can contend that it is a choice, since none of them got a choice either. Obviously they haven't considered their viewpoint logically. Since the proof that their argument is false exists in their own lives, I consider these people to be irrational.


I consider them to be homosexuals in denial.


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13 Jun 2009, 8:13 pm

Once in history class, we learned about how homosexuality was decriminalized in 1969 and this arab guy was like, "It should be a crime!". Then again, this guy thought that Noah's ark was found on mount ararat in Turkey.Here's some information on that :lol: Info on that lol! The stupidity is unbelievable!



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13 Jun 2009, 8:23 pm

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Of course, this is the central point in the whole debate over homosexuality. If it is a choice, then we can be criticized for making a "wrong" choice. If it isn't a choice, then all the anti-gay arguments fall apart, and they can be condemned as being intolerant and bigoted.

Frankly, I don't understand how anti-gay people can contend that it is a choice, since none of them got a choice either. Obviously they haven't considered their viewpoint logically. Since the proof that their argument is false exists in their own lives, I consider these people to be irrational.

It would be logical to assume there are heterosexuals who had a choice, heterosexuals who did not have a choice, homosexuals who had a choise and homosexuals who did not have a choice. And even that is a gross generalisation in itself.

I find it humorous how "choise" is even any issue. I wouldn't stop people being gay even if they had chosen to be, they aren't not hurting me, impairing my quality of life or their own. I just wish they'd stop using public toilets to do their business in...



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13 Jun 2009, 9:28 pm

My father believed it was a choice until he watched my cousin grow up.

It is possible to believe that if you don't personally know someone, their story, or how their lives have gone.

But when you do know someone, you come to know that it rarely is a choice.

But not all who are gay are a like. Some may have 50/50 sexuality; others 90/5. There is a lot more choice involved for someone who is 50/50 in their inclinations than someone who is 90/5. Or 99/1. Like so many things when it comes to people, sexuality is a spectrum.


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13 Jun 2009, 10:43 pm

Michjo wrote:
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Of course, this is the central point in the whole debate over homosexuality. If it is a choice, then we can be criticized for making a "wrong" choice. If it isn't a choice, then all the anti-gay arguments fall apart, and they can be condemned as being intolerant and bigoted.

Frankly, I don't understand how anti-gay people can contend that it is a choice, since none of them got a choice either. Obviously they haven't considered their viewpoint logically. Since the proof that their argument is false exists in their own lives, I consider these people to be irrational.

It would be logical to assume there are heterosexuals who had a choice, heterosexuals who did not have a choice, homosexuals who had a choise and homosexuals who did not have a choice. And even that is a gross generalisation in itself.



Those homos/heteros who have a "choice" are called bisexuals, but I do NOT for the life of me believe that everyone is bisexual(which is claimed by many gay activists).



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14 Jun 2009, 7:42 am

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Of course, this is the central point in the whole debate over homosexuality. If it is a choice, then we can be criticized for making a "wrong" choice. If it isn't a choice, then all the anti-gay arguments fall apart, and they can be condemned as being intolerant and bigoted.

Frankly, I don't understand how anti-gay people can contend that it is a choice, since none of them got a choice either. Obviously they haven't considered their viewpoint logically. Since the proof that their argument is false exists in their own lives, I consider these people to be irrational.

It would be logical to assume there are heterosexuals who had a choice, heterosexuals who did not have a choice, homosexuals who had a choise and homosexuals who did not have a choice. And even that is a gross generalisation in itself.



Those homos/heteros who have a "choice" are called bisexuals, but I do NOT for the life of me believe that everyone is bisexual(which is claimed by many gay activists).


But bisexuals don't "choose" to be that way either...unless you meant that they can choose between men and women because they are attracted to both... :?


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14 Jun 2009, 12:19 pm

the only choice bi people have is whether they date mostly men or mostly women.


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14 Jun 2009, 1:00 pm

Exactly ^

I don't even know why people are still discussing this s**t

Who the hell seriously thinks people choose who they're attracted to?

I always end up liking women I don't stand a chance with; I definitely don't choose it :lol:



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14 Jun 2009, 1:11 pm

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the only choice bi people have is whether they date mostly men or mostly women.


Being bisexual doesn't mean that you are going to choose one gender to date, or that you're going to live one lifestyle or the other, it simply means that the people you are going to find yourself attracted to might be men or women. There's no choice to be made.


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14 Jun 2009, 4:42 pm

ed wrote:
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the only choice bi people have is whether they date mostly men or mostly women.


Being bisexual doesn't mean that you are going to choose one gender to date, or that you're going to live one lifestyle or the other, it simply means that the people you are going to find yourself attracted to might be men or women. There's no choice to be made.

I meant that tongue in cheek.


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14 Jun 2009, 7:36 pm

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Exactly ^

I don't even know why people are still discussing this sh**

Who the hell seriously thinks people choose who they're attracted to?

well, I have heard that few women could turn into lesbianism if they have been abused by men, especially or mostly during childhood, but I really can't say about that, it wouldn't necessarily be a choice I think, but some might think it would be, but wether that's fully the case or not, it could lead us to some questions, such as being a wide spectrum or that everyone being potentially bisexual but social limits influence us more, can that be a learned thing? I don't know, it seems that animals from few observations have turned into homosexual activities while in captivity when there is lack of the opposite sex, but I can't say anything for sure on that either.


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15 Jun 2009, 4:55 am

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I don't really understand the comparison to rape, as that's an entirely different issue.


The issue is that many people (especially NTs) equate a pleasure response as a moral compass.



Ok so before I read any more of this post or anything else that you have written why the f**k do you see the need to write something as ridiculous and banal as "especially NT's"


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