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26 Jan 2011, 4:05 pm

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Healthy food for everybody.


No thank. I like my fried chicken.


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Research into the science of energy healing and spirituality.


Already been done. Energy healing is a placebo effect at best. Spirituality is most similar to somewhere between a drug trip and a temporal lobe seizure.


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26 Jan 2011, 4:28 pm

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What does my utopia look like?

Canada.

Except, maybe a little warmer.


300 years of peace and brotherhood and what have the Canadians invented? Insulin and the hockey puck.

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And the walkie-talkie, and the pager, and the artificial pacemaker, and the electric wheelchair, and SONAR, and basketball, and the chainsaw, and the paint roller, and plexiglas, and garbage bags, and alkaline batteries, and peanut butter (sorry, George Washington Carver). And the telephone was invented here. And a Canadian was the first one in North America to propose standard time.



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26 Jan 2011, 4:31 pm

my Utopia would be where everyone has Indefinite Life Extension, humanity has the availablility of the whole universe to expand and reproduce, no governments a communist society(no psuedo-communism like North Korea, North Vietnam, or Cuba but what Karl Marx intended) an actual communist society cannot have a government because EVERYONE is equal actual peace. everyone is tolerant but for the most part religion has died and people are embracing science(not scientology, but science) as the way to Advancement in Human Progress


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26 Jan 2011, 4:36 pm

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my Utopia would be where everyone has Indefinite Life Extension, humanity has the availablility of the whole universe to expand and reproduce, no governments a communist society(no psuedo-communism like North Korea, North Vietnam, or Cuba but what Karl Marx intended) an actual communist society cannot have a government because EVERYONE is equal actual peace. everyone is tolerant but for the most part religion has died and people are embracing science(not scientology, but science) as the way to Advancement in Human Progress


Scientology.. thats pretty scientific, right? :lol:



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26 Jan 2011, 4:40 pm

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Already been done. Energy healing is a placebo effect at best. Spirituality is most similar to somewhere between a drug trip and a temporal lobe seizure.


I have to disagreet. Placebo effect plays a part in many things and could influence this but energy healing is quite real.

I am trying to change my diet at the moment as well as exercising more, meditating more and about to start yoga to help my bodies energy pathways :)

The benefits i get from it (not placebo ) is a feeling of inner peace, which id describe a s more positive outlook on life, a stronger connection between myself and other living beings.

Edit: since you mentioned having a temporal love seizure (which is a stroke i think) i guess it is related in a way. That is, if you look at it from the perspective of spiritual practices helping to strengthen the connection between the right and left brain hemispheres, which leaves people with a stronger sense of self.

Whatever way people want to look at it this is an interesting video about having a seizure none the less. Good night.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU[/youtube]


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26 Jan 2011, 5:56 pm

Government
Constitutional bill of rights
Constitutional bill of duties
(both individual, corporate, and government)
Elected officials

The role of the Government would essentially be to organize the workforce and to organize any defense effort.
Organizing the workforce would include supplying and maintaining a knowledge base(public access) likely with very limited involvement.(which is too say they are incharge of maintaining the hardware and have nothing to do with the data.)

Society
Association is through personal tastes, such as taste in music,clothing,fashion,entertainment.
Breeding is by personal preference.
Culture
Tolerance, Charity, non-violence, and Curiosity are the utmost encouraged traits.(encouraged but not held sacred)
Rationality in the form of knowing when it is appropriate to consider your emotions.(to know when your emotions are relevant to a problem or thought process, and how to ignore them if they are not)

The workforce would be split between those who are currently working and those waiting to enter active involvement, both would be paid equal amounts but anyone able bodied will have somewhere to work even if it is menial.(mental disability would be an exemption at times wheres there will be specific processes for others.)
Anyone diagnosed with a mental disorder or disability would be referred to a counselor who would determine if there is any current job or any therapy that could potentially qualify the individual for some type of work.

Subject interest would be evaluated from when a child starts school to when he/she is deemed capable of choosing their own studies(having a basic education).

Now I've forgotten a lot of what I was about to write so I'll just post this alone.



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26 Jan 2011, 6:04 pm

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Government
Constitutional bill of rights
Constitutional bill of duties


There are no duties outside of a contract entered into freely, only constraints. Caring for family dependents is an implicit contract. He who brings a child into the world assumes the duty of supporting the child. It is in th nature of the act.

Other than that no one owes anyone else in a positive sense if there is no contract.

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26 Jan 2011, 6:11 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Government
Constitutional bill of rights
Constitutional bill of duties


There are no duties outside of a contract entered into freely, only constraints. Caring for family dependents is an implicit contract. He who brings a child into the world assumes the duty of supporting the child. It is in th nature of the act.

Other than that no one owes anyone else in a positive sense if there is no contract.

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Well no thats just the norm, in this utopia the governments duties to you and your duties to the government would be explicit instead of implicit, Its only a difficult concept if you choose to make it so.



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26 Jan 2011, 6:12 pm

ikorack wrote:
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ikorack wrote:
Government
Constitutional bill of rights
Constitutional bill of duties


There are no duties outside of a contract entered into freely, only constraints. Caring for family dependents is an implicit contract. He who brings a child into the world assumes the duty of supporting the child. It is in th nature of the act.

Other than that no one owes anyone else in a positive sense if there is no contract.

ruveyn


Well no thats just the norm, in this utopia the governments duties to you and your duties to the government would be explicit instead of implicit, Its only a difficult concept if you choose to make it so.


I choose to make it so. Outside of family and specific contracts I enter into of my own free will, I don't owe anybody a god damned thing. I am, however constrained to do no harm to others.

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26 Jan 2011, 6:16 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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ikorack wrote:
Government
Constitutional bill of rights
Constitutional bill of duties


There are no duties outside of a contract entered into freely, only constraints. Caring for family dependents is an implicit contract. He who brings a child into the world assumes the duty of supporting the child. It is in th nature of the act.

Other than that no one owes anyone else in a positive sense if there is no contract.

ruveyn


Well no thats just the norm, in this utopia the governments duties to you and your duties to the government would be explicit instead of implicit, Its only a difficult concept if you choose to make it so.


I choose to make it so. Outside of family and specific contracts I enter into of my own free will, I don't owe anybody a god damned thing. I am, however constrained to do no harm to others.

ruveyn


Oh then you misunderstand, your rights would be preserved at least until you fail to provide a duty, then you are deported.



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26 Jan 2011, 6:24 pm

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[b]Government[/b

Oh then you misunderstand, your rights would be preserved at least until you fail to provide a duty, then you are deported.


I was born here (U.S.A.) so my legal right to be here is as close to absolute as anything legal can be. I have no duty to the country. I am constrained to obey the positive laws because I am outgunned by the government. Like any thief, thug, rapist or tyrant the government has its way with me through force and plunder. I volunteer nothing of my own free will for the government. I reject the government as tyranny. Every night I pray the members of Congress contract a painful, loathsome and incurable skin disease.

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26 Jan 2011, 7:03 pm

i wouldn't mind living on my own island, with books, an optional spouse (which would only be for companionship, i don't think i'd want children, environnement wouldn't sustain it), and some way to get food (by my own self if i must, like a gardening patch). Because sometimes humans disgust me. (Not ALL the time, mind you) =.=

If i can't have that, i'd not mind being a Lich (undead magician, for you non-adepts, they retain their intellect) and continue to accumulate knowledge in such a way. I'm still debating whether i should send the ghosts of victims that have been wronged and who cry for revenge after their tormentors, maybe that'd make you humans think twice before taking your own's lives.



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26 Jan 2011, 7:09 pm

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its up to people to decide for themselves but if you ask me it is real and it does work.


I think it works too. I just don't think there is any science behind it. The placebo affect is incredible powerful (is some studies it cures 70% of patients), but it is just a mind trick. I don't think things like "negative energy" exist.

What would I add? Fusion power, a larger emphasis on individual freedom, Environmentalism advocated as a Scientific and not a moral/social ideology (which it so often is today). And free ice cream on Tuesdays :D


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26 Jan 2011, 7:12 pm

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[b]Government[/b

Oh then you misunderstand, your rights would be preserved at least until you fail to provide a duty, then you are deported.


I was born here (U.S.A.) so my legal right to be here is as close to absolute as anything legal can be. I have no duty to the country. I am constrained to obey the positive laws because I am outgunned by the government. Like any thief, thug, rapist or tyrant the government has its way with me through force and plunder. I volunteer nothing of my own free will for the government. I reject the government as tyranny. Every night I pray the members of Congress contract a painful, loathsome and incurable skin disease.

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There is no American defined right to be anywhere. As for the rest not really an issue in a utopia, which is too say a limited model where the negative is largely trivial. If you really didn't want to be here you wouldn't be here and thats that.


EDIT: Also you have no explicit duty to your government precisely because it is undefined.



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26 Jan 2011, 8:04 pm

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There is no American defined right to be anywhere. As for the rest not really an issue in a utopia, which is too say a limited model where the negative is largely trivial. If you really didn't want to be here you wouldn't be here and thats that.


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Since I am natural born here there are no legal grounds on which I can be deported. If I want to stay I stay. If I want to go I will go where I am I will be permitted to immigrate.

Right now I can find another nation where I meet the capital requirements. I once was close to being qualified to move to Switzerland, but Switzerland is boring. 600 years of brotherhood and democracy and what have the Swiss invented:? Chocolate bars and fine clocks.

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26 Jan 2011, 8:08 pm

ruveyn wrote:
ikorack wrote:

There is no American defined right to be anywhere. As for the rest not really an issue in a utopia, which is too say a limited model where the negative is largely trivial. If you really didn't want to be here you wouldn't be here and thats that.


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Since I am natural born here there are no legal grounds on which I can be deported. If I want to stay I stay. If I want to go I will go where I am I will be permitted to immigrate.

Right now I can find another nation where I meet the capital requirements. I once was close to being qualified to move to Switzerland, but Switzerland is boring. 600 years of brotherhood and democracy and what have the Swiss invented:? Chocolate bars and fine clocks.

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American deportation is rare but it isn't illegal or unconstitutional.