Paul Ryan's outrageous use of the word "envy"

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14 Apr 2011, 4:16 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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That explains why liberals don't like the emotionally charged rhetoric of Fox News...

most liberal voted Obama because "he is black so a good choice!"

What a coincidence! Most conservative voters voted against Obama and demand his birth certificate because "he is black and can speak articulately so he must be a foreigner!!"

Did you make a vetted, statistically well structured poll to come to the conclusion or are you letting your political bigotry run a bit wild?,

Obama would be flawed if he were lily white born in a Pennsylvania Farmhouse and his birth witnessed by fifty Amish elders, just and righteous men all. Obama is a Statist. He thinks government is Good, when at best it is a Necessary Evil

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I'm making a generalized statement based upon the fact that birther discussions still permeate much of the conservative dialogue and that conservatives tend to screw over minorities when it comes to education and criminal justice.

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14 Apr 2011, 4:17 pm

[quote="skafather84"

I'm making a generalized statement based upon the fact that birther discussions still permeate much of the conservative dialogue and that conservatives tend to screw over minorities when it comes to education and criminal justice.[/quote]

Quite right and a statistically unsupported generalization at that.

You are as much a political bigot as I am. Admit it.

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14 Apr 2011, 4:17 pm

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I want to get you a job with Comedy Central, and I'm completely serious- you're absolutely gold

I've sent my curriculum vitae....they said the jobs were taken by Paul Krugman,Michael Moore,Nancy Pelosi,Al Gore, Naomi Klein and Noam Chomsky

Only someone completely ignorant to the people would list Chomsky and Pelosi in the same group. You may as well include Michael Parenti and Obama in the same group. :roll:

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14 Apr 2011, 4:32 pm

skafather84 wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

LibertarianAS wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

That explains why liberals don't like the emotionally charged rhetoric of Fox News...

most liberal voted Obama because "he is black so a good choice!"

What a coincidence! Most conservative voters voted against Obama and demand his birth certificate because "he is black and can speak articulately so he must be a foreigner!!"

I'm making a generalized statement based upon the fact that birther discussions still permeate much of the conservative dialogue and that [b]conservatives tend to screw over minorities when it comes to education and criminal justice.[/b[

Riiight blue collar crooks are poor little victims while white collar crooks are evil :roll:

. Guess what? Their mentalities are similar, it's just a different matter of styles.

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14 Apr 2011, 4:35 pm

White collar crooks cause more damage and they are more likely to get away with it so they become a sort of super criminal class beyond the reach of any law - who in the end make the laws. That's far worse than anything a burglar, let's say, can pose as a threat.

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14 Apr 2011, 4:39 pm

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Riiight blue collar crooks are poor little victims while white collar crooks are evil :roll:

. Guess what? Their mentalities are similar, it's just a different matter of styles.

http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-1 ... taxes.html

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14 Apr 2011, 4:40 pm

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Yes it's more convenient and otoh blue collar crimes are more violent but why is it that liberals tend to think blue collar crooks are poor little victims while exclusively considering white collar crooks evil? They both show a pathological level of selfishness in their patterns of thought.

@skafather: That's irrelevant and you already posted a thread about that. So are blue collar crooks just as selfish as white collar crooks?

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14 Apr 2011, 4:42 pm

Some people are just making a living. Your garden variety dope dealer, for example. Can't compare that with the people who run Bank of America.

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14 Apr 2011, 4:45 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:

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IMHO, blue collar crook culture is a result of white collar crooks getting their way
I don't know if you can say they are as selfish, as many are doing it because they think they have no other way of making money. Some are genuinely idiots though

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14 Apr 2011, 5:00 pm

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I grew up in poverty and I've done some reading on criminology which supports what I've seen. The anti-social personality disorder label is a joke for diagnosing sociopathy, cuz it's basically what a typical crook is. Although selfishness is associated with criminality, most crooks don't lack a conscience like true sociopaths do. Look it up on wiki and it should give you a good idea of a criminal mentality. Impulsive, manipulative, has poor self-control, blames others for their own actions, selfish, has a sense of entitlement, often blames others, etc... etc...

Crooks aren't just pathologically selfish in the criminal part of their lives, it manifests in every area of their lives.

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Some people are just making a living. Your garden variety dope dealer, for example. Can't compare that with the people who run Bank of America.

I was expecting this type of answer. If that's the case, why is it that it's so common for a dope dealer to spend money on s**t like status symbols rather than strictly bare necessities? It's greed, plain and simple. And why is it that schoolyard bullies are statistically more likely to have criminal records as adults? Cuz criminality is associated with pathological selfishness and blatant disregard for others. Also if crooks are such helpless victims with no options why is it that they tend to reject education which would've gave em more options? Cuz they clearly aren't poor little helpless victims if they bring this predicament on themselves. These articles should be a good read for you:
http://members.cox.net/samenow/concept.html

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14 Apr 2011, 9:41 pm

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That scum, that lowest form of life Paul Ryan has done it again. He denounced the criticisms of his Plan by Barack Obama as being a plan to stoke "envy"... envy of the rich, presumably, the rich whose tax burden would be substantially reduced under his Plan as the social contract is rewritten to rob the vast majority of the population blind. Gone will be Medicare, gone will be retirement, tax burdens will increase for most people. This is not about envy, this is about being robbed. Now Ryan says that those who object to the robbery by those who have everything "envy" those people? Why he doesn't have a whole legion protecting him 24 hours a day is something I don't understand, American people are so mild-mannered!

Wow... he might just be right.

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14 Apr 2011, 9:44 pm

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It's annoying how quickly the sheeple pick up on talking points. Just saw a comment on facebook about envying rich people. If you're registered republican, you should probably just be executed to save the rest of us from having to hear the same phrases mindlessly repeated verbatim a few million times.

Lol, and absolutely, its only republicans who do that.

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15 Apr 2011, 12:03 am

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Lol, and absolutely, its only republicans who do that.

Obviously dems do it too but not as loudly and normally it's a form of acquiescing to the republicans. Swinging farther and farther right.

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15 Apr 2011, 12:07 am

xenon13 wrote:

Some people are just making a living. Your garden variety dope dealer, for example. Can't compare that with the people who run Bank of America.

One need not do business with the Bank of America. They do not have a private army that compels your customership.

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15 Apr 2011, 12:19 am

skafather84 wrote:

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Lol, and absolutely, its only republicans who do that.

Obviously dems do it too but not as loudly and normally it's a form of acquiescing to the republicans. Swinging farther and farther right.

Least Republicans aren't flippin insane and actually will listen to the American People. If your idea of being radical and extreme right wing is calling for a balanced budget and Government to stop spending like a bunch of drunken sailors (insult to drunken sailors), then I think I will be radical and extreme right wing instead of your "supposed enlightened views." I use the terms loosely, because anyone that understands basic math and isn't sticking their heads up their behinds should be able to figure out that the Tea Party and the Republicans are correct in their assessment of the situation.

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15 Apr 2011, 1:12 am

Those people are still criminals who caused a lot of damage and are getting away with it - a super criminal class above the law. They don't need a private army when clearly the government is at its beck and call.

Most dope dealers don't claim to be super gang members with status symbols to prove it. They just deal a bit to make some money to get by.

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