Death threats fail to shake climate scientists

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I would define an environmentalist as somebody who asserts that human activity is responsible for changing weather, sometimes accompanied by suggestions of buying different products with Y2K certification.... but other times just go into what should be common sense conservation and stewardship practices and yet other times just have their thoughts to themselves.

I would go a step further and question how many of these supposed death threats are real and how many were just made up by these "scientists", and I use the term loosely.

So... environmentalism ended in 2000? Do you understand that
a)the environmental movement is a hell of a lot broader than AGW, and
b)the rest of your statement is basically a strawman?
and c), as has already been stated, not all of those who accept AGW are environmentalists?

c'mon, 'Keet, you're capable of being rational. You can do better than this.

They lost all credibility with climate gate.

'They'?
Please be specific.

Climate scientists.

What if that person had perfectly 'valid' reasons for murdering someone? Say, in the course of intercommunal violence, for instance?

All climate scientists? Do you realize that you're extrapolating out to tens of thousands of scientists from the few that were involved in 'climate gate'? Are you really so paranoid that you believe in a conspiracy of tens of thousands of people?
Also, as has been mentioned over and over, you do realize that every single individual involved in 'climate gate' was exonerated of wrong-doing when the entirety of the data (rather than a few cherry-picked emails, out of context) was examined?

Best of luck. You know better than to ask it questions.

No, I'm not saying that environmentalism ended in 2000, however the demands of some environmentalists that we buy hybrid cars, fluorescent lights, etc. seem to me to be reminiscent of the marketing of incredulous merchants playing off the apocalyptic fears of people who knew nothing about computers.

a) yes, as I alluded to, there are those who want to cut down on pollution, stop the usage of the oceans as a toilet, etc. It's more than just one issue.
b) no, it's not. You asked for a definition. My definition.
c) yes, fine, it's nearly impossible to properly use the word "all" to refer to the universal set since there are always exceptions.

LKL, so is everyone else capable of being rational. I appreciate the civility though.

I actually do think there is a conspiracy with global warming. I basically think the idea is pushed as fact because a global problem calls for a global 'solution' - that being setting up a one-world police state.

the fact that thousands of climate scientists back it up more has to do with the fact that most career people have to 'go with the flow' and claim to support the conventional theories because if they don't, they will lose their support and credibility.

If global warming was true, the vast majority of the world's record highs, and very few record lows, would be recent, however, look at this.


State Record High (F) Date City/Locale Elevation in Feet
Ala. 112 Sept. 5, 1925 Centerville 345
Alaska 100 June 27, 1915 Ft. Yukon 420*
Ariz. 128 June 29, 1994 Lake Havasu 505
Ark. 120 Aug. 10, 1936 Ozark 396
Calif. 134 July 10, 1913 Death Valley N/A
Colo. 118 July 11, 1888 Bennett 5,484
Conn. 106 July 15, 1995 Danbury 450
Del. 110 July 21, 1930 Millsboro 20
Fla. 109 June 29, 1931 Monticello 207
Ga. 112 July 24, 1952 Louisville 132
Hawaii 100 April 27,1931 Pahala 850
Idaho 118 July 28, 1934 Orofino 1,027
Ill. 117 July 14, 1954 E. St Louis 410
Ind. 116 July 14, 1936 Collegeville 672
Iowa 118 July 20, 1934 Keokuk 614
Kansas 121 July 24, 1936 Alton 1,651
Ky. 114 July 28, 1930 Greensburg 581
La. 114 Aug. 10, 1936 Plain Dealing 268
Maine 105 July 10, 1911 N. Bridgton 450
Md. 109 July 10, 1936 Cumberland and Frederick 623, 325
Mass. 107 Aug. 2, 1975 New Bedford and Chester 120, 640
Mich. 112 July 13, 1936 Mio 963
Minn. 114 July 6, 1936 Moorhead 904
Miss. 115 July 29, 1930 Holly Springs 600
Mo 118 July 14, 1954 Warsaw and Union 705, 560
Mont. 117 July 5, 1937 Medicine Lake 1,950
Neb. 118 July 24, 1936 Minden 2,169
Nev. 125 June 29, 1994 Laughlin 605
N.H. 106 July 4, 1911 Nashua 125
N.J. 110 July 10, 1936 Runyon 18
N.M. 122 June 27, 1994 Lakewood N/A
N.Y. 108 July 22, 1926 Troy 35
N.C. 110 Aug. 21, 1983 Fayetteville 213
N.D. 121 July 6, 1936 Steele 1,857
Ohio 113 July 21, 1934 Gallipolis 673
Okla. 120 June 27, 1994 Tipton 1,350
Ore. 119 Aug. 10, 1898 Pendleton 1,074
Pa. 111 July 10, 1936 Phoenixville 100
R.I. 104 Aug. 2, 1975 Providence 51
S.C. 111 June 28, 1954 Camden 170
S.D. 120 July 15, 2006 Kelly Ranch/Usta 2,339
Tenn. 113 Aug. 9, 1930 Perryville 377
Texas 120 Aug. 12, 1936 Seymour 1,291
Utah 117 July 5, 1985 Saint George 2,880
Vt. 105 July 4, 1911 Vernon 310
Va. 110 July 15, 1954 Balcony Falls 725
Wash. 118 Aug. 5, 1961 Ice Harbor Dam 475 475
W. Va. 112 July 10, 1936 Martinsburg 435
Wis. 114 July 13, 1936 Wisconsin Dells 900
Wyo. 116 Aug. 8, 1983 Basin 3,500


Records in the US have been kept since about the 1880s or around 130 years - only ONE state high is from the 21st century. It should be expected that even without global warming, 3 or 4 of them should be from after 1999, and with global warming you would expect at least 5 or 6.

Now, let's look at record cold!

Alabama -27 Jan. 30, 1966 New Market 760
Alaska -80 Jan. 23, 1971 Prospect Creek 1,100
Arizona -40 Jan. 7, 1971 Hawley Lake 8,180
Arkansas -29 Feb. 13, 1905 Pond 1,250
California -45 Jan. 20, 1937 Boca 5,532
Colorado -61 Feb. 1, 1985 Maybell 5,920
Connecticut -32 Feb. 16, 1943 Falls Village 585
Delaware -17 Jan. 17, 1893 Millsboro 20
Florida - 2 Feb. 13, 1899 Tallahassee 193
Georgia -17 Jan. 27, 1940 N. Floyd County 1,000
Hawaii 12 May 17, 1979 Mauna Kea 13,770
Idaho -60 Jan. 18, 1943 Island Park Dam 6,285
Illinois -36 Jan. 5, 1999 Congerville 722
Indiana -36 Jan. 19, 1994 New Whiteland 785
Iowa -47 Feb. 3, 1996* Elkader 770
Kansas -40 Feb. 13, 1905 Lebanon 1,812
Kentucky -37 Jan. 19, 1994 Shelbyville 730
Louisiana -16 Feb. 13, 1899 Minden 194
Maine -48 Jan. 19, 1925 Van Buren 458
Maryland -40 Jan. 13, 1912 Oakland 2,461
Massachusetts -35 Jan. 12, 1981 Chester 640
Michigan -51 Feb. 9, 1934 Vanderbilt 785
Minnesota -60 Feb. 2, 1996 Tower 1,430
Mississippi -19 Jan. 30, 1966 Corinth 420
Missouri -40 Feb. 13, 1905 Warsaw 700
Montana -70 Jan. 20, 1954 Rogers Pass 5,470
Nebraska -47 Feb. 12, 1899 Camp Clarke 3,700
Nevada -50 Jan. 8, 1937 San Jacinto 5,200
New Hampshire -47 Jan. 29, 1934 Mt. Washington 6,288
New Jersey -34 Jan. 5, 1904 River Vale 70
New Mexico -50 Feb. 1, 1951 Gavilan 7,350
New York -52 Feb. 18, 1979* Old Forge 1,720
North Carolina -34 Jan. 21, 1985 Mt. Mitchell 6,525
North Dakota -60 Feb. 15, 1936 Parshall 1,929
Ohio -39 Feb. 10, 1899 Milligan 800
Oklahoma -31 Feb. 9, 2011 Nowata 709
Oregon -54 Feb. 10, 1933* Seneca 4,700
Pennsylvania -42 Jan. 5, 1904 Smethport est. 1,500
Rhode Island -25 Feb. 5, 1996 Greene 425
South Carolina -19 Jan. 21, 1985 Caesars Head 3,100
South Dakota -58 Feb. 17, 1936 McIntosh 2,277
Tennessee -32 Dec. 30, 1917 Mountain City 2,471
Texas -23 Feb. 8, 1933* Seminole 3,275
Utah -69 Feb. 1, 1985 Peter's Sink 8,092
Vermont -50 Dec. 30, 1933 Bloomfield 915
Virginia -30 Jan. 22, 1985 Mountain Lake 3,870
Washington -48 Dec. 30, 1968 Mazama 2,120
Winthrop 1,755
West Virginia -37 Dec. 30, 1917 Lewisburg 2,200
Wisconsin -55 Feb.4, 1996 Couderay 1,300
Wyoming -66 Feb. 9, 1933 Riverside 6,650

In February of 2011, Oklahoma recorded its coldest-ever temperate. And the other record colds are not, as you would think with global warming, primarily in the distant past.

I think global warming was originally the result of an honest mistake, most weather stations are in urban areas which are hotter than their surroundings by several degrees, and the decade in between 1988 and 1998 WAS unusually hot. however since then it's got colder again.

Global warming has been clearly marked by sea surface temps alone. Also, picking out a very small group of anomalies from a handful of stations in just the U.S. doesn't quite constitute a scientific case for anything.

The term "global warming" was a bit of a misnomer from the start anyway. I'm not quite sure who started it, but as far as I know, scientists have always had a clear understanding that it's climate change in general that we're dealing with. The first red flags came as warming observations, but the physical feedbacks are vast and the outcome remains uncertain.

I don't know about the sea surface temps. How many weather stations are there really at sea anyways? The climate is always changing, they changed the name because global warming and the greenhouse effect theory turned out to be wrong in the early 2000s when the 1990s heat spike ended. By the early 2000s though, global warming had become politically useful.

And I see what you're saying, but still, if global warming was true it's probable we would see a cluster of record state highs after say 1980 or something, but it's not the case.

You left out the thermometers were positioned on blacktop or by air conditioning exhausts which would affect the temperature readings.

Your definition of environmentalists was basically AGW people and sustainability consumerists, with a token pass at allowing for a few 'common sense' people that you seem to consider the minority of environmentalists (while also implying that they're only ok if they stfu). That's what I meant by 'straw-man environmentalist.'
Far be it from me to deny that yuppie, consumer-environmentalists exist, but they aren't the core of the movement either philosophically or numerically. Green-washing of products is a capitalist selling method, not a philosophical movement.