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27 Jul 2012, 1:57 pm

I hate people who carry guns in general. Not because they carry guns...but because they are the kinds of people who carry guns. They are jerks. Way too many of them are freaking dips**t conservatives. I think that we ought to make a practice of slapping them whenever we see them. I don't care if a civilized, intelligent human being carries a gun; it's fine by me, really. My husband even keeps one in the trunk when we travel as a sort of security blanket. I just think they are in the minority among those that do.

If you are one of those NRA jackasses, they don't want to take away your guns because they don't like guns. They want to take away your guns because you are an obnoxious jerk. You make people want to punch you really hard in the head.

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27 Jul 2012, 4:34 pm

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What do you think would have happened to this woman and her baby if she didn't have a gun to protect herself?

A pepper spray would probably be enough to stop the intruder. A Molotov cocktail would be more interesting.

Maybe/maybe not. I've seen new pepper sprayers that would not spray. One of them belonged to my dad and it was kept it in the key basket by the back door. I tried it out in the garage one day when I was there to see if it worked (like I do with mine) and NOTHING came out. They have limited effectiveness anyway, especially when it's windy.

With a Molotov cocktail would be like throwing the baby out with the bathwater since it would have set the house on fire.

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27 Jul 2012, 4:38 pm

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For a while there you had become civil and rational but I see that period in time has passed.
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27 Jul 2012, 4:48 pm

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All gun laws will do is keep guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens.

The United States has the highest rate of incarceration in the world. It also has one of the highest rates of homicide, including mass murder.

There is an age-old love affair between many Americans (especially in the South and Midwest) and guns. IMO, it stems from a misinterpretation of the Constitution. The "well-regulated militia" (with the right to bear arms) is seen in military, police, and intelligence agencies.

However, if guns are (hopefully) made illegal, those so-called law-abiding citizens will no longer be law abiding.

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27 Jul 2012, 5:18 pm

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All gun laws will do is keep guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens.

There are 4 parts to the 2nd amendment and the government's organization wasn't created until 1917.

Not only did the Supreme court rule that your school of thought on the 2nd amendment was wrong, but the United States Code specifies that the able bodied male is the militia.

Title 10
Subtitle A
Part I
Chapter 13
§ 311

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

However you want to slice it, the people have an individual right to bear arms and the people are the militia so they still have a right to bear arms.

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27 Jul 2012, 5:47 pm

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Go ahead. Even you admit how difficult and and dangerous the operation is.

And I also said that one needed to be knowledgeable about the task at hand and also cognizant of the fact that they are dealing with something that can kill them in the fabrication process. If firearms were to become black market items then you would see more people taking the risks of bomb building.

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And less criminal and wanna-be active shooters can afford them. How much a kilo of TNT and a working detonator cost again?

Or it means they will have to dig in their pockets deeper or steal them. As many guns as there are in circulation the prices will go up but not terrifically high for a long time. And as I stated before explosives can be and have been made at home.

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In October 2007, the Swiss Federal Council decided that the distribution of ammunition to soldiers shall stop and that all previously issued ammo shall be returned. By March 2011, more than 99% of the ammo has been received. Only special rapid deployment units and the military police still have ammunition stored at home today.
Fail.

From the article you posted:
"Most types of ammunition are available for commercial sale, including full metal jacket bullet calibres for military-issue weapons; hollow point rounds are only permitted for hunters. Ammunition sales are registered only at the point of sale by recording the buyer's name in a bound book."
So ammo is legally available despite what you said in an earlier post.

"The sale of ammunition – including Gw Pat.90 rounds for army-issue assault rifles – is subsidized by the Swiss government and made available at the many shooting ranges patronized by both private citizens and members of the militia. There is a regulatory requirement that ammunition sold at ranges must be used there."
I was partially wrong; they do not have it issued to them for practice but it is at least subsidized.

Also:
"When their period of service has ended, militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment. In this case of retention, the rifle is sent to the weapons factory where the fully automatic function is removed; the rifle is then returned to the discharged owner. The rifle is then a semi-automatic or self-loading rifle."

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Exactly what valid argument pro gun people bring to the table? We are Americans (TM) and we like it.

We haven't brought anything invalid unless you've re-defined the term. We have reality and you have emotion based wishful thinking.

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We like to assume that the gun owner is innocent (like 99.9% of us are) until proven guilty.

Figure of speech; I should have stated it more factually.

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27 Jul 2012, 6:03 pm

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Not only did the Supreme court rule that your school of thought on the 2nd amendment was wrong, but the United States Code specifies that the able bodied male is the militia..

As I have said in other postings, I am waiting for the U.S. Constitution to be rewritten for the 21st century. Until then, I will accept the legitimacy of the present system, even though I disagree with most of it.

I don't know of any other countries, but the U.S., where a legal document is treated as religious scripture.

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27 Jul 2012, 7:04 pm

nominalist wrote:

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Not only did the Supreme court rule that your school of thought on the 2nd amendment was wrong, but the United States Code specifies that the able bodied male is the militia..

Apparently you don't believe in human rights other than the ones the government would like you to have or the ones that are in vogue.
There's nothing in the constitution, even the first 10 amendments, that does not apply today.

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27 Jul 2012, 7:10 pm

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No, I just don't base my view of human rights on a document written more than 200 years ago.

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27 Jul 2012, 7:15 pm

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What do you think would have happened to this woman and her baby if she didn't have a gun to protect herself?

A pepper spray would probably be enough to stop the intruder. A Molotov cocktail would be more interesting.

Anybody with even basic military training or police training will have been pepper sprayed or CS gassed on multiple occasions, I can tell you from personal experience that pepper spraying me in the face will not deter me in the slightest from beating you to death with a blunt spoon, but it might piss me off a lot and make me cry. :cry:

If you don't believe me go try it some time, charge at some armed with pepper spray while you have a knife or club, sure you will cry a bit but they will be dead, that is rather a big difference.

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28 Jul 2012, 7:41 am

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For a while there you had become civil and rational but I see that period in time has passed.
:roll:

I would love to take away your guns. I would love to strap you to a fat tree trunk, with a corn cob shoved up your butt halfway and your eye-lids stapled open, and force you to watch while I destroyed every gun you have. Nothing in the world would so fill me with joy. Not because I think it's dangerous for people to have guns but because I find you and most of the NRA gun freaks I have ever encountered to be incredibly offensive.

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28 Jul 2012, 8:49 am

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01001011 wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

What do you think would have happened to this woman and her baby if she didn't have a gun to protect herself?

A pepper spray would probably be enough to stop the intruder. A Molotov cocktail would be more interesting.

If you don't believe me go try it some time, charge at some armed with pepper spray while you have a knife or club, sure you will cry a bit but they will be dead, that is rather a big difference.

My wife made the mistake once of trying to be really sweet to me and handed me an uncapped bottle of Tabasco so I could directly apply it to my food without worrying with the cap. As is my habit, I started shaking the bottle not noticing the cap was gone. It immediately covered my face and my eyes. Sh!t hurts.

In the other thread about guns, I posted my favorite gun quote. It comes from the movie "Death Proof," but I think I've heard something similar in a comedy routine once and I can't seem to find it. I love how Kim responds to her friend's suggestion that she use pepper spray instead of a gun.

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28 Jul 2012, 10:12 am

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For a while there you had become civil and rational but I see that period in time has passed.
:roll:

I find it strange that there never seems to be a moderator around when you go off on one of you're tirades.

Oh well, good luck surviving the attempt to carry out your fantasy.

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28 Jul 2012, 10:13 am

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28 Jul 2012, 10:39 am

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Raptor wrote:

For a while there you had become civil and rational but I see that period in time has passed.
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Ah yes, the legendary tolerance and open-mindedness of progressives... :roll:

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28 Jul 2012, 11:14 am

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You sound like a hypocrite. I hate hypocrites that don't want other law abiding people o have them, but them or their body guards have them. If they remove guns from people you don't like, I hope they remove them from you as well. And if you ever end up needing that protection, I don't really care. You're on your own.

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