seaweasel wrote:
The bible is indeed self evident. As we can see there is no way there can be life without a super natural diety
"Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals," Genesis 1:25
Let's suppose for a minute that that were true, which I don't think it is. How does it then follow that this supernatural deity must be the God of the bible and not one of the multitude of other gods from other religions, including many polytheistic pagan religions?
seaweasel wrote:
We were created in God's image. Now if we go to the New Testament we can see a warning about false teachers and false prophets
What is God's image? If we were all sapient horses instead of primates then God would look like a horse.
seaweasel wrote:
The bible has its own internal consistency such as the prophecies of Jesus
I Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
and the prophecie of the return of Jesus Christ in Revelation
We've waited 2000 years for Jesus to return. It's a good bet that it won't happen any time soon. The apostles initially believed it would be in their lifetime.
seaweasel wrote:
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Matthew 7:15 Jesus warns us of that. Like a false prophet today is Benny Henn
For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:24
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. 2 Peter 2:1-3 Some false teachers today are Billy Graham, The Catholic Church, John Macarthur, and Hank Hannegraph
This means absolutely nothing to me. Can you name any?
seaweasel wrote:
Now why wont some people believe in God?
well because God blinds people/hardens hearts and this is Scary!
Actually, no. Most atheists don't believe in God, or gods for that matter, because there is no evidence for the existence of deities. Therefore, they don't see a reason to believe in them.
seaweasel wrote:
John 12:40
He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
2 Thessalonians 2 10-12
10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness
Exodus 9:12
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses.
Isaiah 6:10 Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."
Mark 4:12 so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"
So what should we do?
Turn to the Lord and the viel will be removed
If God wanted to be known, he'd have shown incontrovertible evidence of his existence and no, something that supposedly happened 2000 years for which there is no physical evidence left behind doesn't count.
seaweasel wrote:
but not everyone will be saved as Matthew 7:13-14 states most go to hell
Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14
but the point of this post is to point out the Bible is indeed a super natural book
Really? It's funny then that most "prophesies" are only said to be after the fact. Before that, nobody seems to know what they mean. If the bible instead had the final equations for the theory of everything or gave an accurate description about how to combine Einstein's theory of general relativity with quantum mechanics into a single description of physics, then I'd be more convinced.
30 Dec 2013, 12:15 pm
