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Kraichgauer
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11 Feb 2014, 1:35 am
chris5000 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It was wrong that Martin was only carrying a bag of Skittles? 
why does it matter what he was carrying? he committed not only a crime but a felony
you dont need a weapon to beat someone to death and he was showing no signs of stopping. he signed his own death warrant, if trayvon beat an old lady to death and ran off into the night it wouldn't even make the news
according to your logic if you are just carrying skittles and iced tea you are legally allowed to assault people also according to zimmerman trayvon said your going to die cracker which takes the crime from felony battery to attempted murder
maybe you should experience felony battery for yourself, having your head smashed into the concrete your face beaten to a pulp but dont use a firearm to defend yourself you must let him beat you till he decides hes done because he only has skittles
also according to zimmerman trayvon went to for his gun before he shot him. also how can zimmerman know that he was unarmed he could have easily had a knife or a firearm. it was an open shut case of self defense. I for one wish trayvon survived so he could spend 20 or so years in federal prison. go ahead blindly support a violent thug because the tv told you to
My point is, as Martin was unarmed, he almost certainly had no intention of getting into any sort of altercation. The fact that Zimmerman was armed might imply that he was expecting something to happen sometime. And lest it be forgotten, it was Zimmerman who had put events into motion by following Martin when explicitly told not to.
And as you mentioned to Ann the Florida Stand Your Ground Law (which was in fact not used in his defense), had the fight gone the other way, with Martin winning and maybe even killing Zimmerman, perhaps he could have used Stand Your Ground as a defense, as he was being pursued by an armed man.
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11 Feb 2014, 6:28 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
chris5000 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It was wrong that Martin was only carrying a bag of Skittles?
why does it matter what he was carrying? he committed not only a crime but a felony
you dont need a weapon to beat someone to death and he was showing no signs of stopping. he signed his own death warrant, if trayvon beat an old lady to death and ran off into the night it wouldn't even make the news
according to your logic if you are just carrying skittles and iced tea you are legally allowed to assault people also according to zimmerman trayvon said your going to die cracker which takes the crime from felony battery to attempted murder
maybe you should experience felony battery for yourself, having your head smashed into the concrete your face beaten to a pulp but dont use a firearm to defend yourself you must let him beat you till he decides hes done because he only has skittles
also according to zimmerman trayvon went to for his gun before he shot him. also how can zimmerman know that he was unarmed he could have easily had a knife or a firearm. it was an open shut case of self defense. I for one wish trayvon survived so he could spend 20 or so years in federal prison. go ahead blindly support a violent thug because the tv told you to
My point is, as Martin was unarmed, he almost certainly had no intention of getting into any sort of altercation. The fact that Zimmerman was armed might imply that he was expecting something to happen sometime. And lest it be forgotten, it was Zimmerman who had put events into motion by following Martin when explicitly told not to.
And as you mentioned to Ann the Florida Stand Your Ground Law (which was in fact not used in his defense), had the fight gone the other way, with Martin winning and maybe even killing Zimmerman, perhaps he could have used Stand Your Ground as a defense, as he was being pursued by an armed man.
if trayvon had no intention of getting into a fight then why did he attack zimmerman nothing zimmerman did was a crime you are under no legal obligation to follow what a 911 operator says besides zimmerman was following him to give an up to date location for the police
trayvon of his own choice attacked zimmerman. normal people dont beat people senseless for following them. the whole point of concealed carry is to be prepared for anything/ seeing as how things turned out it was a good thing he exercised his right. had he not trayvon would of continued beating zimmerman before fleeing into the night probably to attack another person. he was far from a little angle the media wants you to believe
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11 Feb 2014, 11:58 am
Ann2011 wrote:
chris5000 wrote:
Ann2011 wrote:
chris5000 wrote:
trayvon of his own choice attacked zimmerman.
Travyon attacked Zimmerman because he felt threatened. The phone recording is evidence that the knew someone was following him and he didn't know why. Perhaps Martin had heard of the burglaries and wondered if he was about to be robbed.
then he should of left the area. instead he made the choice to be an animal and attack zimmerman. following someone is not a crime and does not justify assault in anyway.
So because Martin decided to use physical violence to deal with his perceived threat, he is behaving "like an animal." I see what you're saying - Martin was the first to use violence. But Zimmerman instigated the situation and in so doing bears some moral culpability. Personally, I don't confront people on the street because I find their presence disconcerting. (If I did, I'd never make it down the street.) I think they both over-reacted.
I don't understand the need to dehumanize Martin by calling him an animal.
Then again, as far as friend chris5000's calling Martin an animal, it must be recalled that earlier in the thread, he denied that other than blacks crying racism, there really wasn't two sides to the racism story.
(Translation: whites are never really guilty of racism.)
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11 Feb 2014, 12:04 pm
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11 Feb 2014, 12:10 pm
chris5000 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
chris5000 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It was wrong that Martin was only carrying a bag of Skittles?
why does it matter what he was carrying? he committed not only a crime but a felony
you dont need a weapon to beat someone to death and he was showing no signs of stopping. he signed his own death warrant, if trayvon beat an old lady to death and ran off into the night it wouldn't even make the news
according to your logic if you are just carrying skittles and iced tea you are legally allowed to assault people also according to zimmerman trayvon said your going to die cracker which takes the crime from felony battery to attempted murder
maybe you should experience felony battery for yourself, having your head smashed into the concrete your face beaten to a pulp but dont use a firearm to defend yourself you must let him beat you till he decides hes done because he only has skittles
also according to zimmerman trayvon went to for his gun before he shot him. also how can zimmerman know that he was unarmed he could have easily had a knife or a firearm. it was an open shut case of self defense. I for one wish trayvon survived so he could spend 20 or so years in federal prison. go ahead blindly support a violent thug because the tv told you to
My point is, as Martin was unarmed, he almost certainly had no intention of getting into any sort of altercation. The fact that Zimmerman was armed might imply that he was expecting something to happen sometime. And lest it be forgotten, it was Zimmerman who had put events into motion by following Martin when explicitly told not to.
And as you mentioned to Ann the Florida Stand Your Ground Law (which was in fact not used in his defense), had the fight gone the other way, with Martin winning and maybe even killing Zimmerman, perhaps he could have used Stand Your Ground as a defense, as he was being pursued by an armed man.
if trayvon had no intention of getting into a fight then why did he attack zimmerman nothing zimmerman did was a crime you are under no legal obligation to follow what a 911 operator says besides zimmerman was following him to give an up to date location for the police
trayvon of his own choice attacked zimmerman. normal people dont beat people senseless for following them. the whole point of concealed carry is to be prepared for anything/ seeing as how things turned out it was a good thing he exercised his right. had he not trayvon would of continued beating zimmerman before fleeing into the night probably to attack another person. he was far from a little angle the media wants you to believe
(Sigh) Again, Martin realized he was being followed by this guy, and it's common for boys that age to think they can't back down. Then when he realized Zimmerman was packing heat, he may have genuinely thought he was in a life and death struggle. A childhood friend had recounted to me years ago about how, during a physical altercation with his father, his Dad had stupidly grabbed a rifle. He said, as he told the judge, he dove in and grabbed the gun with the thought in his head, "It's him or me, it's him or me." Thankfully, the fight had ended there, even though his prick of an old man had pressed charges. I think it very possible that the thought running through Martin's head had been, "It's him or me."
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