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05 May 2014, 12:19 pm

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/\ Yeah, if you want to break the backs of small business and trigger inflation.
"Hey, people are making more money so now we cash in and raise prices!!"

San Jose raised the minimum wage a year ago, and they're doing just fine. I thought we were promised free market capitalism would improve all our lives, instead of leaving most of us just barely hanging on while business owners get rich at our expense. It's for this very reason why more and more of us are losing faith in the free market. If conservatives want us to believe in their economic "religion" again, they need to walk the talk, and share the pie.

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05 May 2014, 12:31 pm

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/\ Yeah, if you want to break the backs of small business and trigger inflation.
"Hey, people are making more money so now we cash in and raise prices!!"

San Jose raised theirs to $10 per hour, not $15. You should know that San Jose has a considerably higher cost of living than Spokane. You're $15 hr dream ain't gonna happen in this decade unless you move someplace expensive where it won't mean as much, anyway.

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05 May 2014, 1:13 pm

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/\ Yeah, if you want to break the backs of small business and trigger inflation.
"Hey, people are making more money so now we cash in and raise prices!!"

If you recall, I hadn't given a number to what the Spokane minimum wage should be raised to.

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05 May 2014, 1:19 pm

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Seattle is supposed to be raising minimum wage to $15 and I guess that sends goose bumps on the flesh of the ones in charge here who cannot stand the idea of someone making $15 and hour. The horrors of it!

Now I only wish the germ of that idea crosses the Cascades to Spokane and the surrounding area, where I reside.

If you recall, you didnt specify a different dollar amount than Seattle so we're left to believe that you want $15.

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05 May 2014, 1:23 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Now I only wish the germ of that idea crosses the Cascades to Spokane and the surrounding area, where I reside.

If you recall, you didnt specify a different dollar amount than Seattle so we're left to believe that you want $15.

(Sigh) The literalism of us Aspies.

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05 May 2014, 1:28 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Now I only wish the germ of that idea crosses the Cascades to Spokane and the surrounding area, where I reside.

If you recall, you didnt specify a different dollar amount than Seattle so we're left to believe that you want $15.

It's not up to me to decide on my own. What I don't get is why the state feels like it must strong arm it's towns when all along it cries about how the feds try to strong arm it especially in education. Did you know Oklahoma flat out refused a federally mandated curriculum like it was some vile, hideous, heretical, abomination on the state by the wicked, evil, liberal, godless, federal government?

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05 May 2014, 1:50 pm

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Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Now I only wish the germ of that idea crosses the Cascades to Spokane and the surrounding area, where I reside.

If you recall, you didnt specify a different dollar amount than Seattle so we're left to believe that you want $15.

(Sigh) The literalism of us Aspies.

Uh huh.
More like I caught you and you tried to backpeddle.

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05 May 2014, 1:57 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

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Kraichgauer wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Now I only wish the germ of that idea crosses the Cascades to Spokane and the surrounding area, where I reside.

If you recall, you didnt specify a different dollar amount than Seattle so we're left to believe that you want $15.

I don't know what their rationale is for interfering in whatever a city sets as minimum wage but on the face of it I think it's BS. On the other hand I don't have all the facts and I don't live in Oklahoma.
I can't blame Oklahoma for refusing anything federally mandated that has to do with education. Let each state handle their own education issues.

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05 May 2014, 2:00 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Now I only wish the germ of that idea crosses the Cascades to Spokane and the surrounding area, where I reside.

If you recall, you didnt specify a different dollar amount than Seattle so we're left to believe that you want $15.

Then let each city handle it's own minimum wage issues. Oklahoma just likes to grandstand issues. That's all they are doing. Picking and choosing which to bellow about only to satisfy a handful of constituency. It's so annoying.

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05 May 2014, 2:11 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Oklahoma just likes to grandstand issues. That's all they are doing. Picking and choosing which to bellow about only to satisfy a handful of constituency. It's so annoying.

Ah, but it's pandering to the handful that is most likely to vote. That's half of how their game plan is so effective. Anger-stirring and fear-mongering are the other half.

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05 May 2014, 2:42 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Now I only wish the germ of that idea crosses the Cascades to Spokane and the surrounding area, where I reside.

If you recall, you didnt specify a different dollar amount than Seattle so we're left to believe that you want $15.

(Sigh) The literalism of us Aspies.

Uh huh.
More like I caught you and you tried to backpeddle.

Don't flatter yourself.

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05 May 2014, 2:42 pm

February 18, 2014

CBO examined the budget impacts of raising the minimum wage to $9 and $10.10.

The report concluded that a $9 increase would lift 300,000 workers above the poverty line, but cost 100,000 new jobs as employers are expected to reduce workforces to make up for higher wages. A $10.10 increase would lift 900,000 workers above the poverty line, but cost 500,000 jobs.

source, http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... s/5582779/

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05 May 2014, 2:50 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

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Now I only wish the germ of that idea crosses the Cascades to Spokane and the surrounding area, where I reside.

If you recall, you didnt specify a different dollar amount than Seattle so we're left to believe that you want $15.

Letting each state handle it's own education will leave an even greater uneven degree of education nationwide than we have today. Imagine the effect on the understanding of science would be if large swaths of the country decided to remove all references to evolution, and the geological age of the universe and the earth, in favor of creationism. Or how historical revisionism would allow for the teaching of the lie that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery, or how the genocide of Native Americans might be glossed over in many states. Or what if a state decided too much money was being spent of education, imagine how children would suffer terribly. And as we are one country - not a collection of independent states as many conservatives seem to believe - the whole country would suffer in the long run, all because there is not a concerted effort to standardize education.

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05 May 2014, 3:02 pm

You actually believe that an agency of the federal government gives two s**ts about anything other than sustaining its own empire under the guise of education?
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05 May 2014, 3:22 pm

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The federal government has police power. A state government is nothing more than a charter AT THE CONTINUED LIBERTY of the nation's power.

That statement could only come from either a deliberate effort to provoke a response or total ignorance of the US Constitution.

That entire post was a rephrasing of the earlier post and in an attempt to point out the absurdity of an "up with state rights, down with city rights" kind of attitude.

That particular piece was to highlight the poor logic behind arguing that cities are only allowed to exist at the state's discretion.

There was nothing "silly" with my statement. A city or county IS NOT a political subdivision such as a state. Most cities started as unincorporated entities (a place with a name). When they want political power, they must incorporate...go to the state to ask permission to exist as a corporate entity. Their existence is at the will of the state.

States do no such thing. In fact, when we did have federal territories that petitioned for statehood, they gained autonomy and rights by doing so. Remaining a federal territory means you exist under the thumb of the federal government with no other rights or autonomy.

For a city to say it can do whatever it wants is the same as a state threatening to secede from the nation....except a state technically has the right to choose to exit the federal system and become a nation in its own right. If a city tried to do it, it would have to have immense resources and wealth under its direct control or it will dry up and die in a matter of weeks or months being. At best, a city would have to petition the federal government for statehood, which likely would never be granted.

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05 May 2014, 3:23 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Raptor wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Now I only wish the germ of that idea crosses the Cascades to Spokane and the surrounding area, where I reside.

If you recall, you didnt specify a different dollar amount than Seattle so we're left to believe that you want $15.

I don't know what OK could do to make it any worse than it is now. So many of the ones from OKC and Tulsa metros who bother to educate just leave and go elsewhere. What's left is a swath of ignorance and low I.Q.s that do more out of defiance more than anything else. No real rationale. Who on earth wouldn't put evolution in a science class? Get over it already!
At the moment I am really fed up with the wicked, vile exploits of the religious fanatics.

If there's a way to make it worse, I am sure they will implement it. Some in this state seem hell bent on suffering and poverty. It's so great to be miserable!! !

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