Are modern religions beginning to crumble?

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I don't understand. Are you saying this piece of writing by evolutionary scientist Richard Dawkins is comparable to Sesame Street?

Give me a break, this is what is wrong with our society: SOCIAL STATUS WORSHIP, just because dawkins has gone through some academic obstacle course and is good in some narrow fields of biology does not make him a god, he's little better then the average man.

If Dawkins truly had his way he'd put a bullet in anyone that picked up a bible, he's hiding his hatred masking it in satire. You can tell he truly hates religious people deep down inside by his body language. He's also a proponent of eugenics and eliminating those with inferior IQ's. He's just smart enough to mask it for political reasons to garner people to his cause.

i know you're feeling outnumbered and i'm sorry about that but i gotta hit up this one point. i think it's healthier to have a strong distrust in your government than it is to believe that the world is 6000 years old or however long the creationists say. creationism, by its nature, is against science and discourages scientific innovation and theory. i would say such thinking and such a railing against science would be a much larger detriment to our technological advancement, medical advancement, and other scientific arenas that we seek to excel in. believing 9-11 was an inside job generates distrust for your government and that is much healthier than the patriotism we saw days and weeks after 9-11. i would rather a populous that watches what its government does closely and scrutinizes its works than a government that simply backs whatever they do under an idiotic sense of nationalistic pride. and yes, nationalistic pride to the extent seen immediately after 9-11 was stupid and foolish. i'd dare to say it was almost like bush was some date rapist hitting on a rebound. so yeah...i'd rather impact the vote against bush (and kerry), and have a population of civilians that don't trust their government and scrutinize their acts.

dawkins is the kind of person that gould rallies against. even though i'm an atheist...i don't like dawkins and his approach to the religion problem.

Ah. Fair enough.

the "religion problem" is simply the forcing of religious views and ideals on morality onto the populous. i think that their efforts to push for favorable legislation is counterproductive to the government and against the ideas that our country was founded on. one for many...e pluribus unum....not one nation under God.

We may disagree with what larger (or something...I am running short on words) point, but I agree that the 6,000 old earth belief has possible negative further (something) beyond that mere thought. My guess is that more people think the Earth is 6,000 years old then think dinosaurs never exist. I know it doesn't make any sense, but for popular culture reasons...



I do not agree. The patriotism was bound to die off, just like the patriotism after the super-patriotism Pearl Harbor. Within days of the beginning of the Afghanistan campaign newspaper were already declaring that things might be falling apart. The Democrat's in congress started trying to position to their own advantage themselves before Iraq even became an issue. Since the invasion, Bush has had healthy domestic opposition not only from them but within his own party.

Finally, the 9-11 inside job theory is a lie. It is unhealthy in that it is a sort of state of denial it to what is actually going on (the threat the country is actually at)/absurd misguided obsessive ideological hatred.

I don't have a problem with "questioning" if there is questioning to do. The military is too freakin' small, and it a war brakes out in North Korea or China then we have a problem. Entitlements are going to brake the treasury if something isn't done.



Yes, watch, and scrutinize. I do not consider myself a nationalist, but a patriot. If you brought forth proof that Bush was secretly annexing Iraq then I would not be supporting his foreign policy at all, I would be supporting his impeachment.



I am not sure what you mean. If you mean joining together to mourn the victims, pass legislation like the Patriot Act, authorization to act against Afghanistan, and the raising of flags at half the houses across the country, then no, I don't think it was stupid.



The toppling of Hussein in Iraq removed brutal "rape rooms" that were used by his government. His son Udey Hussein, a notorious rapist, was also killed. I support the invasion, and believe the strategy was the correct one even in retrospect. Removing troops at this time would result in a bloodbath that would make the current situation look minor.



Kerry is calling for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, although he did vote for the war in the first place (I would have too).



People generally don't the trust in most democratic countries. People don't trust the government in aristocratic, and autocratic, and any other type of country either. I actually do trust Bush. If you look at what he promised and what he did, he generally tried to follow through. I don't care for his liberal policy on illegal immigration (although I am not as conservative as some) but it is the same program he campaigned on twice. He is more open about what is about then the previous administration.

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I think I am done for a few days (feel free to respond, of course). There was allot of political postings today.

Not unconstitutional however, although you can propose an amendment to a senator.

I love that "e pluibus unum." I fact I like the other two on U.S. currency as well: "Liberty," and "In God We Trust." I know you would probably like the latter removed, but the reason I like it there is not religious. I like it because it is a demonstration that our constitutional rights do not come from the government, but rather from something "higher." "In God We Trust," could mean "In Nature We Trust" but that sounds ridiculous.

I don't think we are going to agree however.

Anyway, nice batting it around for awhile.

The Humanists came up with the term "Politically Correct" to describe their morality's "good".

It sounds like you haven't thought it out what you believe about freedom. Here's a website to help you: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

James Madison
Summary of the First Amendment:

"Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contrary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform" (Annals of Congress, Sat Aug. 15th, 1789 pages 730 - 731)


now, if i'm not mistaken, the spirit of that is that religion should not force people to conform to their religion...right? it's defined as a state religion...but we're a democracy, the majority becomes the state religion by default. so therefore, such laws that push favorable legislation is, in fact, unconstitutional.

and with regards to the higher power...i find it's better to not claim an influence from a higher power....it just leads to arrogance and ultimately destruction later on.


we might not ever agree but i love such debates because it allows me to really focus what i believe in and refine why i believe it or if i need to make changes in my beliefs.

also...with modern religion.....i think everyone should check out jesus camp. it's a disturbing look at the christian entity.

Was the inspiration for my first novel. "Cradlebreak" It was about Evenlingist Christians mounting a war of terror on US soil. It got to the point where the US was the new Middle East. Complete with dozens of warring nations and international intervention. The EU invades the United Theocratic nation of the Southern States for oil.

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sounds like an awesome novel....has it been published?

Re: Jesus Camp Christians have as much right to vote as pro-sodomite, pro-abortion anti-Christian bigots.
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life. http://www.armyofgod.com

they do have the right to vote. only problem being that their agenda is unconstitutional so most of the issues they stand for can't be voted on anyways.

and don't try to change the subject to abortion with that link. those terrorists have nothing i want to ever be a part of.

I'm working on that.