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22 Mar 2021, 12:17 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

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But how can math be racist?

In the US, math is taught from a Western perspective.

Likely, every famous math person in a math book is a Western white man.

So, the idea is to make math cultural using numbers, geometries, abstractions that connect to people based on culture.

Weren’t a lot of fundamental math inventors were Greeks, Arabs and Persians... etc?

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22 Mar 2021, 12:22 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

TheRobotLives wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

But how can math be racist?

In the US, math is taught from a Western perspective. Likely, every famous math person in a math book is a Western white man. So, the idea is to make math cultural using numbers, geometries, abstractions that connect to people based on culture.

Weren’t a lot of fundamental math inventors were Greeks, Arabs and Persians... etc?

The person who "invented" zero was from India. I suppose to a person in Japan, that would qualify as a "Western" accomplishment.

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22 Mar 2021, 12:36 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

TheRobotLives wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

But how can math be racist?

Weren’t a lot of fundamental math inventors were Greeks, Arabs and Persians... etc?

Like blue eyed, blonde Jesus?

Euclid (depicted) ...

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22 Mar 2021, 1:03 pm

I remember arguing with my sixth-grade teacher over this one, and proving her wrong! See if you can get the correct answer...

What is the highest number that can be made with three 9s?

a. 27
b. 729
c. 999
d. 1.9662705047555291361807590852691e+77

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Now, is the correct answer a "racist" or "western" answer, or is it just the proper application of mathematic thinking?

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22 Mar 2021, 1:11 pm

The way to figure out the answer-----does not depend on "culture."

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22 Mar 2021, 3:15 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

The way to figure out the answer-----does not depend on "culture."

That does depend on culture.

For example, it's likely many cultures don't have access to a calculator.

23343 x 339399322 = ??

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22 Mar 2021, 4:34 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

The way to figure out the answer-----does not depend on "culture."

That does depend on culture. For example, it's likely many cultures don't have access to a calculator.

23343 x 339399322 = ??

Show us by hand.

While many cultures may have little or no access to calculators, many of those same cultures do have access to dirt/sand and pointed sticks. They could scratch out an answer. After all, what did Pythagoras (or his predecessor) use to determine his now-famous law concerning the ratios of the sides of right triangles?

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22 Mar 2021, 4:38 pm

It takes longer----but you don't need a calculator for that particular problem.

You probably need one for more complex problems----involving more "abstract" mathematics.

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23 Mar 2021, 5:39 pm

Fnord wrote:

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Now, is the correct answer a "racist" or "western" answer, or is it just the proper application of mathematic thinking?

If the teacher was black your answer was racist, if the teacher was a woman your answer was misogynist, if the teacher was a christian your answer was evil atheist + racist, a western answer discriminating minorities.
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23 Mar 2021, 5:46 pm

Another related video:

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23 Mar 2021, 6:36 pm

Math being the subject.....

Parents: So what’s this about Danny getting some answers wrong on this so-called test of yours?
Teacher: We had a test. One of the questions was what is 2 + 2. Danny answered 22.
Dad: And?
Teacher: And that’s not the right answer.
Mom: Says who?
Teacher: Says math.
Dad: Are you calling my son stupid?
Teacher: No, of course not!
Dad: Who are you to say that your answer is right and that his is wrong?
Mom: No no, she’s right.
Teacher: Thank you.
Mom: Right out of Nazi Germany.
....
And then, authorities take them seriously.

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23 Mar 2021, 6:51 pm

I was hoping this might be a thread about "The Compleet Molesworth" which is topp, as any fule kno.

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24 Mar 2021, 8:11 am

binstein wrote:

One of the questions was what is 2 + 2. Danny answered 22.

Of course, they want Danny to echo back 2 + 2 = 4.

However, Danny is a math anti-realist.

Math anti-realism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-realism

Danny knows there is no 2 + 2, as abstract concepts don't physically exist.

Danny knows "addition" makes no sense, because these are physically unique things, and thus, can never be grouped into a physical commonality.

Only in abstract thought, with an abstract label of "marker" -- based on a definition only to the teacher -- can these physically unique things ever be thought to be "4 markers" (whatever that means).

Danny is truly wise beyond his years.

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24 Mar 2021, 8:25 am

While I am no geneticist, it does seem that irrational behavior may be a recessive genetic defect. After all, both of Danny's parents display the same irrational behavior as Danny...

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24 Mar 2021, 9:23 am

Fnord wrote:

While I am no geneticist, it does seem that irrational behavior may be a recessive genetic defect. After all, both of Danny's parents display the same irrational behavior as Danny...

To me, the behavior suggests *independent thinking*.

In the book 1984, a state interrogator means to break troublemakers into submission.

Repeatedly asking them, How many lights to do you see?

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If the interrogator says there're three lights, then you should "see" three lights.

The point is to make you accept whatever the state says is truth.

*Independent thinkers* like Danny, probably never make it out alive.

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24 Mar 2021, 2:53 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

binstein wrote:

One of the questions was what is 2 + 2. Danny answered 22.

That reminded me of a youtube video of a conference with the theme "Is There an Ultimate Reality" with Michael Shermer, Deepak Chopra and others.

And Shermer nailed it with this:
Tonight we're going to run an experiment because this I claim is a testable hypothesis. We're going to go to the roof, we have cameras to record the experiment, we have data recorders to record this and we're going to push you off one by one, and if you truly believe there's no ultimate reality, your non-existing atoms will pass mysteriously through the non-existing atoms of the ground and you will not be hurt. End of story

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