Does anyone else agree with feminism?

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Isn't that more of a biological reality to ensure the continuation of the species?

We evolved sex for that reason after all, not as a recreational activity.

Yeah, but now that sex is a recreational activity most of the time, isn't it time that we went beyond that and included more sources of pleasure? Female sexuality is little understood and that traditional view of sex is the reason why.

It falls under women's rights because most women don't have penises. In the traditional view of sex, their pleasures centres are not as important and in some cases ignored altogether.

I'm not neglecting gay male sex in my views on LGBT rights, that is an important issue. It's just not relevant to this particular discussion.

Female sexuality was little understood. But now it's out in the open since it's no longer taboo for women to admit that they want sex(and enjoy it sometimes).


I suppose though some conservative traditionalists might argue that lesbian sex isn't actual intercourse; just mutual masturbation....But that was before strap-on's were invented.

It's still not physical sex, though - it's just strap-on dildos being used. So they could still claim that (and no doubt some do).

I still think it is little understood. We're only really starting to come away from that traditional sexual culture I was talking about.

Some people don't see strap-ons as any different to a dildo, which has masturbatory purposes. So even with a strap-on they still think of it as mutual masturbation. That's because some people still think that sex needs a dick, and they're not just conservatives, but men and women of all stripes. I think intercourse and sex are different things. Sex includes intercourse but isn't limited to it.

Now I want to not move this thread to the Adult forum.

In the future love and sexuality will be removed from human reproduction because all babies will be hatched in artificial incubators. When this happens society will have to redefine the purpose of sexuality. Although this could open the door to casual sex it could just as well mean the end of casual sex as we know it for sex will have no other purpose than for love.

People will do it because it's pleasurable. It will always be pleasurable.

True it is pleasurable but I perfer to have sex with a person rather then my hand

I thought we already had?

Where about in the world are you PM?

Perhaps it is a culture difference that explains why I struggle to get my head around claims that we still live in patriarchal society, where men don't know women have orgasms.

I was talking about sexual activity with other people.

But by eliminating childbirth you are eliminating a painful consequence of sex and this will lower inhibitions and cause society to behave with more promiscuity. So the question remains will the new relationships be based on love or just casual sex?

Gosh silly me haha cool yeah sexual activity with other people is great

I'm in the UK, but old habits die hard. There's even still a taboo about female masturbation in this country.

I am white British, as well. A lot of men know women have orgasms, but don't seem to care (before some men jump up with, 'well I'm not like that' -good for you, but I know this from my own experience and that of my female friends). It can be just too much work and women who have been conditioned to hate their bodies find it difficult to even achieve orgasm on their own.

Really?

Channel 5 has run entire series dedicated to the female orgasm.

Loose women, a long running all women lunchtime show seems to talk about little else.

There are regular news & magazine articles about it.
Research on it, books about it etc etc

Ann Summers grew spectacularly wealthy growing a whole business empire dedicated to it, you are free to order as many sex toys off the internet as you wish in this country.

So I'm struggling to see how female masturbation is 'taboo'.

If it was a taboo subject, surely it wouldn't feature in the national media?

If it was taboo, surely angry mobs should be burning down sex shops that sell vibrators?


Why exactly do you get the impression female masturbation is a taboo subject in this country, I am a genuine loss trying to find the slightest evidence to support this claim.

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Ask women if they masturbate,. Most of them say 'no'. You might say that's just embarrassment, but what have they got to be embarrassed about?

I don't watch much tv, so I wouldn't know about that.

Also, most sex articles in women's magazines are about 'how to please your man', or if they do feature any method of pleasing yourself, it's usually just technique and doesn't focus on the real source of female sexual dissatisfaction: hatred of one's own body. So on one hand, the media tells women that they can and should be having orgasms, but at the same time guilt trips us into a life of dieting, beauty treatments and even cosmetic surgery before we can feel 'worthy' of to perform this basic biological function. I know from reading those sex articles that the advice they give is superficial, and whilst some of the techniques might achieve a physical reaction, you won't find any real satisfaction from yet another Cosmo article that says 'use ice', or whatever. The media doesn't understand female sexuality, it just sells more by talking about it.

That kind of carrot and stick manipulation is a perfect marketing strategy, really. 'Hey, you might be an ugly b***h right now, but if get a Brazilian, a boob job and a personal trainer, then you can pay for a Rampant Rabbit, so you can have an orgasm like those women on telly do'. Sorry, I know I'm exaggerating a lot there.

So maybe it's not taboo, just poorly understood and the media isn't actually helping all that much. The real barriers are a culture that promotes a poor self image amongst women (the main issue) and also the residual phallocentric attitudes towards sex (part of the reason why most porn is shot from the penis's POV).