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Zimmerman should be found..
Guilty 48%  48%  [ 32 ]
Not Guilty 35%  35%  [ 23 ]
Undecided 17%  17%  [ 11 ]
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27 Jun 2013, 11:47 pm

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This is all so ridiculous. The facts are that this person stalked Martin and then gunned him down... These things are beyond any doubt. Then again in the US South it was considered 20 years ago OK to gun down a Japanese exchange student who was looking for a Halloween party and got the address wrong and the yahoos of Baton Rouge showed their support for that!


Other southern "yahoos," as you call them, awarded civil damages to the student's family. If the whole South is irredeemably racist, how could that have happened? Note, too, that the governor of Louisiana is an Indian-American. Was he elected by a bunch of racists?

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My guess is that this has not changed.


That's all it is, a guess.

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Oooh, Japanese people are scary, they might use their super martial arts on me! Mercy! Oooh, that black man is scary, he has super strength... I must gun him down.


Nice mind reading skills there!

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Do these white people have any pride at all, they are portraying themselves as a bunch of victims and whiners who claim to be physically inferior and need to hide behind guns and the law that they own completely.


Yeah, self-defense is always whining. :roll:



They're too physically weak to take on these black men in a physical fight,


Wait, are you actually encouraging white people to fight blacks? Slugfests where wh***y gets beaten to a pulp are OK with you?

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and insufficiently intelligent, committed and disciplined to be the martial arts experts that all Asians supposedly are!


Stereotyping much? Asians are intelligent and martial arts experts, blacks are strong, and Southern whites are stupid weaklings, is that what you're saying?

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And they commit killings with guns and hide behind racist laws that they themselves write. Cowards. They can dish it out but they can't take it. They have to rig the game.


Take what? Getting beaten bloody? Is tolerating that treatment without complaint some kind of honorable thing?


Zimmerman was looking for a fight... if this was happening, and there's no proof that it was, it's what he deserved... and murder is not justified to stop that.

I do not hold these stereotypes, these are pervasive and defendents who claim self-defence and fear for life by invoking them get acquitted in the USA. That's a fact. There have been cases where Asian men have been gunned down who didn't know any martial arts, the killer argued that he feared the martial arts prowess of the Asian man, and the killer was acquitted. This has happened time and time again. In this case, Zimmerman is claiming that this black youth was a threat to him and the suggestion is that it is because he is black and scary and with physical capabilities beyond his... the black brute.

If he had gunned down a blond kid never would this argument have the slightest chance in a court of law. It's all about stereotypes being used to get acquittals. It is a legitimate fear that to fear "black brutes"...

the M'Naughton rule for insanity defences says that the defendent must not know that society considers what she is doing to be wrong to be found not criminally responsible, well, in this case it's as if society says that it's not wrong to fear the black man, or fear the Asian martial arts expert... to the point of using lethal weapons against said threats.



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27 Jun 2013, 11:52 pm

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A woman was foolish enough in Florida to fire warning shots instead of sending the target to the morgue and she is paying with 20 years of prison... had she iced the man in question she might have been acquitted. But as a black woman, hmmm...


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28 Jun 2013, 12:40 am

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This has nothing to do with a racial persecution thing, or whatever you accused me of. Some cracker shot a Japanese kid who walked up to his door on Halloween, not realizing he was at the wrong house. How is that justifiable? How could this idiot genuinely believe he was in danger? If there is another explanation for shooting this kid not involving racism, I'd seriously like to hear it.

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you seem to be so against racism yet you use racial slurs yourself


A cracker is a purposely ignorant person - admittedly usually white. If you're not purposefully ignorant, then you're not a cracker.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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28 Jun 2013, 12:51 am

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This has nothing to do with a racial persecution thing, or whatever you accused me of. Some cracker shot a Japanese kid who walked up to his door on Halloween, not realizing he was at the wrong house. How is that justifiable? How could this idiot genuinely believe he was in danger? If there is another explanation for shooting this kid not involving racism, I'd seriously like to hear it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


you seem to be so against racism yet you use racial slurs yourself


A cracker is a purposely ignorant person - admittedly usually white. If you're not purposefully ignorant, then you're not a cracker.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


the same can be said for the N word but its still racial slur



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28 Jun 2013, 12:58 am

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This has nothing to do with a racial persecution thing, or whatever you accused me of. Some cracker shot a Japanese kid who walked up to his door on Halloween, not realizing he was at the wrong house. How is that justifiable? How could this idiot genuinely believe he was in danger? If there is another explanation for shooting this kid not involving racism, I'd seriously like to hear it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


you seem to be so against racism yet you use racial slurs yourself


A cracker is a purposely ignorant person - admittedly usually white. If you're not purposefully ignorant, then you're not a cracker.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


the same can be said for the N word but its still racial slur


I sincerely doubt anyone believes cracker has the same ugly power that the N word has.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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28 Jun 2013, 1:53 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Raptor -
This has nothing to do with a racial persecution thing, or whatever you accused me of. Some cracker shot a Japanese kid who walked up to his door on Halloween, not realizing he was at the wrong house. How is that justifiable? How could this idiot genuinely believe he was in danger? If there is another explanation for shooting this kid not involving racism, I'd seriously like to hear it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


you seem to be so against racism yet you use racial slurs yourself


A cracker is a purposely ignorant person - admittedly usually white. If you're not purposefully ignorant, then you're not a cracker.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


the same can be said for the N word but its still racial slur


I sincerely doubt anyone believes cracker has the same ugly power that the N word has.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


its still a racial slur.



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28 Jun 2013, 2:04 am

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Raptor -
This has nothing to do with a racial persecution thing, or whatever you accused me of. Some cracker shot a Japanese kid who walked up to his door on Halloween, not realizing he was at the wrong house. How is that justifiable? How could this idiot genuinely believe he was in danger? If there is another explanation for shooting this kid not involving racism, I'd seriously like to hear it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


you seem to be so against racism yet you use racial slurs yourself


A cracker is a purposely ignorant person - admittedly usually white. If you're not purposefully ignorant, then you're not a cracker.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


the same can be said for the N word but its still racial slur


I sincerely doubt anyone believes cracker has the same ugly power that the N word has.

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its still a racial slur.


If so, it's a very mild one. I can't seriously see a white person having the same visceral response to being called a cracker the same way a black person would being called the N word. And in all honesty, it's more an attack on one's ignorance than on ones race.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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28 Jun 2013, 2:41 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor -
This has nothing to do with a racial persecution thing, or whatever you accused me of. Some cracker shot a Japanese kid who walked up to his door on Halloween, not realizing he was at the wrong house. How is that justifiable? How could this idiot genuinely believe he was in danger? If there is another explanation for shooting this kid not involving racism, I'd seriously like to hear it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


you seem to be so against racism yet you use racial slurs yourself


A cracker is a purposely ignorant person - admittedly usually white. If you're not purposefully ignorant, then you're not a cracker.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


the same can be said for the N word but its still racial slur


I sincerely doubt anyone believes cracker has the same ugly power that the N word has.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


its still a racial slur.


If so, it's a very mild one. I can't seriously see a white person having the same visceral response to being called a cracker the same way a black person would being called the N word. And in all honesty, it's more an attack on one's ignorance than on ones race.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


blacks use the N word all the time though. I guess its not racist as long as its against white people right?



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28 Jun 2013, 5:12 am

I never thought of the word cracker as a racist term, as it applies correctly to trashy white people (who can be poor or rich) who are willfully ignorant.
Why do you figure it's racist?

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28 Jun 2013, 6:47 am

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the ballistics of a pointblank gunshot are pretty cut and dry. the fact that trayvon did not have powder burns around the entry points means his hoody was loose against his body which means he was on top when he was shot.


It does not mean that Martin was on top. It only means that the hoody was somewhat baggy at the entry point. It is likely that Martin was on top, but it is not a definite. I haven't checked to see if this is the case, but with the margin of error in this ballistics report it is quite possible that the judge will deem it inadmissable. Even if it is presented at the trial, both sides will have their own balliastics expert, one saying that Martin was definitely on top, and one explaining that it proves nothing conclusively.


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28 Jun 2013, 6:54 am

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I never thought of the word cracker as a racist term, as it applies correctly to trashy white people (who can be poor or rich) who are willfully ignorant.
Why do you figure it's racist?

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I have been called a cracker thousands of times. Most of my current neighbors call me a cracker, and we get along quite well. The only time I have felt that it was meant as an insult is when an East Cleveland police officer used it, saying, "What's a jackass cracker like you doin' in our neighborhood? You runnin' drugs or are you buyin'?" And even then, since the officer was white, I doubt that most people would consider a racial slur.

The word cracker is only a racial slur if you make it one.


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28 Jun 2013, 6:57 am

chris5000 wrote:
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Raptor -
This has nothing to do with a racial persecution thing, or whatever you accused me of. Some cracker shot a Japanese kid who walked up to his door on Halloween, not realizing he was at the wrong house. How is that justifiable? How could this idiot genuinely believe he was in danger? If there is another explanation for shooting this kid not involving racism, I'd seriously like to hear it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


you seem to be so against racism yet you use racial slurs yourself


A cracker is a purposely ignorant person - admittedly usually white. If you're not purposefully ignorant, then you're not a cracker.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


the same can be said for the N word but its still racial slur


Mmmm . . . I love having crackers with my soup.
I guess I have a racist attitude towards soup.


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28 Jun 2013, 7:07 am

The prosecutors it seems were trying to make Rachel Jeantel a cornerstone within the case, while the defense were trying to discredit her. Personally, I don't think she helped the case at all.. especially claiming that Trayvon Martin called Zimmerman a "cracka". It appears that he was the racist, and not Zimmerman..



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28 Jun 2013, 8:41 am

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The prosecutors it seems were trying to make Rachel Jeantel a cornerstone within the case, while the defense were trying to discredit her. Personally, I don't think she helped the case at all.. especially claiming that Trayvon Martin called Zimmerman a "cracka". It appears that he was the racist, and not Zimmerman..


A racist N????! !!. As Wallace Shawn said in -Princess Bride- incontheivable!


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28 Jun 2013, 11:46 am

There is no equivalent between the expressions at all! (Let's see, black slave owners called the white slaves that and the black authorities under a racist regime used that word to communicate how the powers that be think whites are inferior, isn't that right?)...And now it's being suggested that the use of the word "cracker" is a death penalty offence! The white sense of victimhood surrounding this kind of case is breathtaking! Dear me, not only did the innocent vigilante choose to stalk and pick a fight with a scary black man, but the scary black man used a bad name proving his evil, vile, racist nature, his desire to kill every white person... so the innocent vigilante has the right to KILL that evil, scary black man! There is definitely an element of "he did a good thing getting rid of this evil person" rationalising when it comes to Zimmerman's supporters.



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28 Jun 2013, 11:51 am

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I never thought of the word cracker as a racist term, as it applies correctly to trashy white people (who can be poor or rich) who are willfully ignorant.
Why do you figure it's racist?

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The only people "cracker" can be accurately applied to are 19th and early 20th century Florida and south Georgia cattle drivers. Cracker because they used bullwhips to manage cattle with. Most of them were white but at least some where black. Google it.
More recent use by blacks in reference to white people is generally meant to be disparaging of whites and therefor racist. Really, it's either racist or it's not.


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