Page 6 of 15 [ 228 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ... 15  Next

Lintar
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 22 Nov 2012
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,777
Location: Victoria, Australia

05 Apr 2018, 9:03 pm

auntblabby wrote:
^^^
you sound like a social conservative but an economic liberal/MOR. most amuuurican conservatives combine social darwinism with social/economic conservatism, and among the religious of this cohort, "prosperity gospel" seems to be a dominant theme.


Yes, well, I'm not actually from the U.S., so that may be one reason for this apparent "inconsistency". The "prosperity gospel" is an utter abomination, and I do not exaggerate one bit when I say that! It is anti-Christian, utterly evil.



auntblabby
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 114,800
Location: the island of defective toy santas

05 Apr 2018, 9:08 pm

Lintar wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
^^^
you sound like a social conservative but an economic liberal/MOR. most amuuurican conservatives combine social darwinism with social/economic conservatism, and among the religious of this cohort, "prosperity gospel" seems to be a dominant theme.


Yes, well, I'm not actually from the U.S., so that may be one reason for this apparent "inconsistency". The "prosperity gospel" is an utter abomination, and I do not exaggerate one bit when I say that! It is anti-Christian, utterly evil.

THAT is what I think about the lions' share of amuuurican right-wing religious types who espouse such "prosperity gospel" rot, and of the amuuurican right's lockstep support of social Darwinism in general.



Tim_Tex
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Jul 2004
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 46,398
Location: Houston, Texas

06 Apr 2018, 10:18 pm

I don’t dislike conservatives, and I don’t dislike liberals.

These days, the common mantra seems to be “both parties suck”. I think it’s the opposite, that they both make good points on many different issues.

I am not a fan of the two-party system, but since that’s currently where we are, I think we need both parties to keep the other in check, so they don’t go too far to the right or left.


_________________
Who’s better at math than a robot? They’re made of math!


XFilesGeek
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Jul 2010
Age: 42
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 6,031
Location: The Oort Cloud

07 Apr 2018, 11:41 am

Nope.

I'm quite liberal, but even I can admit that many of the conservatives I've met have been more tolerant than the liberals.


_________________
"If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced."

-XFG (no longer a moderator)


Hyeokgeose
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 24 Oct 2017
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Posts: 309
Location: USA

07 Apr 2018, 11:45 pm

Greeny wrote:
I don't know too much about the political preferences of individuals on the spectrum, but do aspies generally dislike or don't trust conservatives, specifically the republicans in the US for US aspies? I notice the trend with other "minorities" is to vote democratic, in the US anyway. It is my personal opinion sometimes where it feels like autistic individuals are buying into something that'll generally keep them down in the cold, with the other 'minorities'. Man I hate that term. I'm not really as conservative either, though I still consider myself traditional in some areas.

Think "Aspies can't work because they are incapable lower beings and desperately need help." Special cases for welfare doesn't work. In Sweden, a welfare state, now I'd expect generous welfare, color-blind and doesn't discriminate on factors.


I don't think I would say that. With all the interaction I've had with libertarians and conservatives in my time as an activist, in TPUSA and online, I've encountered several individuals with high functioning Asperger's. Now, when it comes down to libertarians, I can easily say over half of the ones I've talked to have been Aspies. In that regard, I don't think there's a general disdain for conservatives among Aspies in the Southeastern region of the United States.

Ultimately, it does boil down to one's home environment, region one grew up in, mindset, education, personality, et cetera -- regardless of being neurotypical or an Aspie. That said, I have noticed that, just like neurotypical people, Aspies that are generally more emotional tend to be of a collectivist ideology (left-wing), while more philosophical or pragmatic Aspies tend to be individualist or libertarian (right-wing), with a mix of both falling in between. Just my observation.

Edit
As for partisan, I think more and more people are coming to dislike the GOP and DP. Especially GOP-voters -- so many of them feel betrayed by their own party (and I can very clearly see why).


_________________
"It’s not until they tell you you’re going to die soon that you realize how short life is. Time is the most valuable thing in life because it never comes back. And whether you spend it in the arms of a loved one or alone in a prison-cell, life is what you make of it. Dream big."
-Stefán Karl Stefánsson
10 July, 1975 - 21 August, 2018.


peaceandharmony1
Emu Egg
Emu Egg

Joined: 3 Mar 2018
Gender: Male
Posts: 5
Location: Bath UK

08 Apr 2018, 4:04 am

Is This You?

Think conservatively
and soon you will be,
speaking falsely,
bearing false testimony,
laden with psychopathy,
moral entropy,
asset monopoly
- nuclear belligerency.

The least visionary
without nobility,
can’t think intelligently
only narcissistically,
licensed to print currency,
bullying financially
causing world instability,
dystopic slavery,
preplanned poverty,
kind hypocritically,
living in luxury.

Labelled neo-natzi
killing democracy,
suicidal “planetarily”,
a tory dead spiritually.

Glenn - March 2018



NoClearMind53
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

Joined: 25 Mar 2018
Gender: Male
Posts: 369

08 Apr 2018, 8:37 am

auntblabby wrote:
^^^
you sound like a social conservative but an economic liberal/MOR. most amuuurican conservatives combine social darwinism with social/economic conservatism, and among the religious of this cohort, "prosperity gospel" seems to be a dominant theme.

The connecting thread in modern western conservatism is the protection of power. With that said, it's obvious they will be blind cheerleaders for unrestrained capitalism.



ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 38,085
Location: Long Island, New York

08 Apr 2018, 11:30 am

peaceandharmony1 wrote:
Is This You?

Think conservatively
and soon you will be,
speaking falsely,
bearing false testimony,
laden with psychopathy,
moral entropy,
asset monopoly
- nuclear belligerency.

The least visionary
without nobility,
can’t think intelligently
only narcissistically,
licensed to print currency,
bullying financially
causing world instability,
dystopic slavery,
preplanned poverty,
kind hypocritically,
living in luxury.

Labelled neo-natzi
killing democracy,
suicidal “planetarily”,
a tory dead spiritually.

Glenn - March 2018


Or you will not make mistakes because you did not do or embrace everything labeled progress or inevitable. You will be labaled a nazi, close minded and a moron.

The Cure - Jumping on Someone Else’s Train
https://youtu.be/bhp29wXVVHA


_________________
Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity.

“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman


peaceandharmony1
Emu Egg
Emu Egg

Joined: 3 Mar 2018
Gender: Male
Posts: 5
Location: Bath UK

08 Apr 2018, 9:24 pm

Hi ASpartofme, In truth I do not know the differences between the UK and the USA conservatives.
Sorry too I do not understand your reply ... My grandfather told me the family was "owed a blood debt by the
fascist". I hope to have evolved past that in terms of blood, especially with Germany in general. But in terms of today's austerity, privatization, the lack of health care and the whole prejudice thing against "immigrants"
along with the Brexit fiasco, the outright lies, not to mention signing petitions against government plans to make it illegal to speak against the government, (tips of icebergs) I just can not do anything but stand by my poem.
Where I live I vote liberal despite their reverence for the neo-fascist rule book, as I'm not happy with the left either which seems to have just paved the way for the right wing.
I am afraid that after two wars to get rid of gun toting natzi bullies, that the likelihood of another war to get rid of the financial neo-natzi bullies and their neo-brown shirts looks a problem. It seems to me that if the UK helped liberate others from the natzis (twice at least) then whoever fights them next time around will be liberating us this time. Though I would welcome liberation I subscribe to the Stop War coalition, believing
it forward to try to evolve beyond war.

I have heard of people here salting away weapons "ready for the day" and I have no doubt that a government run by people who would, (I believe) push the nuclear button rather than give up power, will be doing the same 10 fold. OK maybe in the USA weapons are most places anyway but here it feels really bad ...



AngelRho
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 Jan 2008
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,366
Location: The Landmass between N.O. and Mobile

08 Apr 2018, 10:25 pm

Lintar wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
A compassionate conservative will give you a bite of the sandwich, but if you want more you either need to get a job or start your own business so you can make or buy all the sandwiches you'll ever need. We do help people, we just don't like freeloaders.


No. A compassionate Conservative would follow Matthew 19:21. Anything less would be just a regular Conservative, and a non-Christian.

I don't think we're really concerned with religion. Even if we were, Matthew 19:21 isn't meant to politicize anything. You're taking something out of context. Matthew 19:21 is all about dealing with things that distract us from the gospel. The story of the rich man addresses an ancient belief that in order to be blessed in heaven, you had to be blessed on earth. The greater the earthly riches, the greater the heavenly reward. That's reflected in verse 27. Jesus was debunking the idea that material possessions are indicators of heavenly reward.


That's one way of looking at it I suppose, but the fact remains that the rich will NEVER enter The Kingdom of Heaven. Sorry, but that's just a fact.

AngelRho wrote:
And Jesus didn't even intend to convey the idea that salvation requires all your earthy possessions be sold/given away, either. Jesus didn't say that the rich can't be saved. He merely said it was difficult for them. If selling all your possessions was required for salvation, Jesus wouldn't have said that "with men these things are impossible," meaning man can't save himself, but "with God all things are possible," meaning God can save all who willingly accept Him, regardless of any kind of status.


Ur... no. The rich, by definition, cannot gain salvation. The reason? In order to become rich in the first place, one must make the accumulation of material wealth one's first priority, otherwise it just will not happen. The focus, of those who are rich, is on the material world, whereas it should be the spiritual realm instead.

You are twisting scripture. Jesus never said the rich cannot enter heaven. The ancient Hebrews believed that material wealth was a sign of God’s blessing. The Israelites left Egypt with gold and livestock. King David was “a man after God’s own heart” and accumulated much wealth. Abraham was wealthy and commanded his own army. All the priests and Levites were wealthy from entitlements. Job, even, was wealthy and accorded a special status. There are examples of nobles in the NT who are credited with using their wealth and status to further the cause of Christ.

And if accumulation of wealth disqualifies one from the Kingdom, then that means YOU are out, too.

Regarding prosperity gospel: I believe God rewards those who are responsible for little by giving them much. Money brings temporal freedom, and freedom allows you to do more towards winning converts. The apostle Paul accumulated wealth in order to self-fund his missionary journeys and support church plants so as not to burden local congregations. If you are free, if your are responsible with what God blesses you with, God gives you more responsibility and with it the means to carry that out. I’ve experienced this myself because I’m on staff at my church. I offered to work strictly volunteer, yet they insisted on paying me, partly because they depend so much on me showing up they wanted to make it difficult to flake out. I get paid whether I show up or not, but when I’m not there it’s because I’m volunteering in other ministries that take me outside my paid position. I even get expenses-paid quasi-vacations to attend conferences which help me stay informed and do my job better. Yes, I’m being paid through church tithes, and this isn’t taken lightly. Everyone knows about it and they don’t want it any other way because they know that all these things work together to allow me to serve God in the fullest capacity I possibly can. I NEVER complain about my salary, NEVER ask for a raise, and from time to time as the church sees fit I do get bonuses and raises.

DO NOT tell me that God doesn’t bless those who follow His commands, apply scriptural wisdom, and work daily to increase the Kingdom of Heaven, and that those blessings can’t involve material wealth. Who makes the rich rich and the poor poor if not God? And if God makes people rich, WHY would God exclude them from heaven on the basis of wealth alone?

Go back and read your Bible. If the rich can’t get into heaven, then you’re condemning all the patriarchs and other heroes that even the early Christians revered (like the so-called “Hall of Faith).

“Blab-it-and-grab-it” preachers take this to an unbiblical extreme. Positive confession is a feature of prosperity gospel heresy. They mislead people into thinking that God can be manipulated into giving them everything they want. Health. Wealth. Everything. They’re no different than the pagans and sorcerers. God gives wealth and health according to HIS pleasure. He cannot be manipulated. He does not give you the power to merely speak something into being.

I pray for wealth every day. Not because it’s that important for me to be rich. I just want more freedom and the ability to do more to help my kids as they get older. God has chosen to only answer my prayers in limited ways, and I’m ok with that. It is up to His will what happens to me. I have no control over God.

Saturday I ran my 2nd half marathon. My first time I finished in 2:15. This one I finished in just under 1:59. I prayed that God would make me stronger and faster, and He allowed and empowered me to do things I had no idea my body could do. So I don’t like to say I did it. I like to say God decided He wanted to be glorified by what He did through me.

What happens is people place demands on God and do nothing but expect God to show up and grant their every wish. Writers and preachers take advantage of poor and disabled in order to expand their own wealth and then point to their wealth as evidence that positive confession and faith work. So if you are poor and want to be rich, you need to pray more, have more faith, and send more money, and by another book, and buy this prayer shawl, etc. So I’m not really convinced that those particular televangelists really are Christian. They are scammers, and I refuse to give them any money.



ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 38,085
Location: Long Island, New York

09 Apr 2018, 12:26 am

peaceandharmony1 wrote:
Hi ASpartofme, In truth I do not know the differences between the UK and the USA conservatives.
Sorry too I do not understand your reply ... My grandfather told me the family was "owed a blood debt by the
fascist". I hope to have evolved past that in terms of blood, especially with Germany in general. But in terms of today's austerity, privatization, the lack of health care and the whole prejudice thing against "immigrants"
along with the Brexit fiasco, the outright lies, not to mention signing petitions against government plans to make it illegal to speak against the government, (tips of icebergs) I just can not do anything but stand by my poem.
Where I live I vote liberal despite their reverence for the neo-fascist rule book, as I'm not happy with the left either which seems to have just paved the way for the right wing.
I am afraid that after two wars to get rid of gun toting natzi bullies, that the likelihood of another war to get rid of the financial neo-natzi bullies and their neo-brown shirts looks a problem. It seems to me that if the UK helped liberate others from the natzis (twice at least) then whoever fights them next time around will be liberating us this time. Though I would welcome liberation I subscribe to the Stop War coalition, believing
it forward to try to evolve beyond war.

I have heard of people here salting away weapons "ready for the day" and I have no doubt that a government run by people who would, (I believe) push the nuclear button rather than give up power, will be doing the same 10 fold. OK maybe in the USA weapons are most places anyway but here it feels really bad ...


I was using the term conservative literally to mean cynical about change.


_________________
Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity.

“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman


Hollywood_Guy
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Nov 2017
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,283
Location: US

10 Apr 2018, 6:40 pm

I dislike most liberal policies and the Democrats in America have now become really vile. The Republicans aren't great either, but at least they seem like the lesser evil today. I'm way more afraid of today's left, and I'm not as afraid of the right at all. In an ideal society the two sides should be able to discuss issues without any attacks on the person. Now, it's just empty discussion for all I care. Today the western left-wing is very "illiberal", they aren't liberals anymore.

Plus, the major companies and groups that really do dominate influence over western society are more Democratic leaning or left-wing. I also wouldn't like to be discriminated as an aspie because of society telling me I should be "too weak and couldn't help myself" to have a job and succeed at something. So I don't like the OP's example either.



auntblabby
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 114,800
Location: the island of defective toy santas

10 Apr 2018, 6:57 pm

conservatives graciously grant us the right to starve to death.



Hollywood_Guy
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Nov 2017
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,283
Location: US

10 Apr 2018, 7:27 pm

auntblabby wrote:
conservatives graciously grant us the right to starve to death.


This is just a personal attack, it doesn't mean any facts. Conservatives want to care for the poor and starving, they just don't think having the government do it is the effective answer, especially on the federal level. I don't care what local communities or other organizations get to do, they would want to take up that duty anyway if the central government will let them.

I'll say again that I'm way more concerned about the left compared to whatever flaws you might paint the right with.



auntblabby
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 114,800
Location: the island of defective toy santas

10 Apr 2018, 7:48 pm

calling my accurate social darwinist description of amuuurican conservatives "a personal attack" is mighty rich coming from somebody calling the left "vile." what hypocrisy. :roll:



Hollywood_Guy
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Nov 2017
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,283
Location: US

10 Apr 2018, 8:40 pm

auntblabby wrote:
calling my accurate social darwinist description of amuuurican conservatives "a personal attack" is mighty rich coming from somebody calling the left "vile." what hypocrisy. :roll:


WTF...? :|

I will also admit that the US definition of "conservative" is really more classical liberals that happen to have a little bit of social conservatism mixed in. The European definition of "conservative" is the more literal meaning. But, I don't exactly have as much an issue with that here in America, so it kinds of works in a strange kind of way. :)